On Saturday 10 August 2002 10:15 am, Jan Hidders wrote:
When people see lots of nested tags such as on
http://www.wikipedia.com/w/wiki.phtml?title=Duesseldorf&oldid=131461
they are not likely to add anything to it.
Yes, I just about fell out of my chair when I saw the markup in edit mode. It was very discouraging and I just went on (and everyone nows I am guilty of using and promoting tables to present list-like data).
--Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
At 02:25 PM 10/08/02 -0700, Daniel Mayer wrote:
On Saturday 10 August 2002 10:15 am, Jan Hidders wrote:
When people see lots of nested tags such as on
http://www.wikipedia.com/w/wiki.phtml?title=Duesseldorf&oldid=131461
they are not likely to add anything to it.
Yes, I just about fell out of my chair when I saw the markup in edit mode. It was very discouraging and I just went on (and everyone nows I am guilty of using and promoting tables to present list-like data).
I, too, am a table nut; I love tables, all shapes, all sizes, all colors. But I do my best to make my table code _elegant_, and I try to keep it separate from the text part of the article as if it were a type of image object. I hope that whatever happens, the ability to use genuine HTML table markup (or something equivalent to it) won't be removed from Wikipedia; when it's used appropriately, it can be pretty easy to work with.
On Sat, Aug 10, 2002 at 06:15:32PM -0600, Bryan Derksen wrote:
[...] I hope that whatever happens, the ability to use genuine HTML table markup (or something equivalent to it) won't be removed from Wikipedia; when it's used appropriately, it can be pretty easy to work with.
In case we don't go with the style-sheet option, I made a proposal on
http://meta.wikipedia.com/wiki.phtml?title=Wiki_markup_tables
for replacing the HTML table syntax with something more Wiki. It's the second proposal. It's more compact then HTML so it allows you to make it look a bit more WYSIWYG in the edit text, but still allows you to do most of the important stuff you can do with tables.
Actually it could also be combined with a style-sheet proposal. Just replace the attributes in {{al=c,...}} with a single style name {{animal-table}}. That would mean added complexity (two ways of doing the same) but also create an intermediate level of doing formatting: 1. (easiest) no formatting 2. (harder) formatting with HTML attributes 3. (hardest) defining a separate style in CSS2
I imagine the people would usually just want to do a little formatting with the help of HTML attributes, and once a certain table format gets re-used a lot, we could factor it out into a style.
-- Jan Hidders
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