Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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Hoi, There are a couple of things that are a requirement before a new language gets its first project:
- The language has to have an ISO-639-3 code and it has to be a natural language; this it is - A request has to be made on Meta - An incubator project has to be started and it needs a few hundred articles of sufficient size that allow an expert to appreciate that it is indeed the language it is said to be - A request for a new language has to be made at at translatewiki.net - The most used MediaWiki messages need to be localised at translatewiki.net
What will make a big practical difference is when technical expertise is provided for the creation of an applicable keyboard mapping or WebFonts. Marathi and Nepali both use Devanagari but the rules for combining things is different from for instance Hindi. The best place for this is by creating a language support team for Ahirani. Thanks, Gerard
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters)#Maki... http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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The ISO code for Ahirani is ahr, and it has an estimated 1 million speakers around the world. It is closely related to several other languages, specifically Marathi, but has extensive borrowing of words from other languages, primarily Gujarati, and grammatical differences sufficient that the balance of linguistic consensus is that it is a stand alone language and not merely part of a dialect continuum. It is going to be difficult to get expertise on it, as there is no definitive grammar or dictionary of it published in English.
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are a couple of things that are a requirement before a new language gets its first project:
- The language has to have an ISO-639-3 code and it has to be a natural
language; this it is
- A request has to be made on Meta
- An incubator project has to be started and it needs a few hundred
articles of sufficient size that allow an expert to appreciate that it is indeed the language it is said to be
- A request for a new language has to be made at at translatewiki.net
- The most used MediaWiki messages need to be localised at
translatewiki.net
What will make a big practical difference is when technical expertise is provided for the creation of an applicable keyboard mapping or WebFonts. Marathi and Nepali both use Devanagari but the rules for combining things is different from for instance Hindi. The best place for this is by creating a language support team for Ahirani. Thanks, Gerard
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters)#Maki... http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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Hoi, Having a fixed grammar or orthography is not what we are looking for in the first place. Of more immediate importance is to know what characters are used and what is the shape of the characters. When it is exactly like Hindi or Nepali or Marathi, then we can use the fonts and keyboard methods of these languages. When it is not, it becomes more complicated.
The Wikipedia article in English is not really helpful as it is not about Ahirani but about the "Khandeshi languages". All it mentions is that Devanagari is used. It will be of interest to know if this has always been this way and if literature exists that has differences in the use of the script. When people are interested enough to ask for a Wiki project in their language, there is more then a fighting chance that people are aware of this or are aware of "issues". Thanks, Gerard
On 3 December 2011 10:48, Stirling Newberry stirling.newberry@xigenics.netwrote:
The ISO code for Ahirani is ahr, and it has an estimated 1 million speakers around the world. It is closely related to several other languages, specifically Marathi, but has extensive borrowing of words from other languages, primarily Gujarati, and grammatical differences sufficient that the balance of linguistic consensus is that it is a stand alone language and not merely part of a dialect continuum. It is going to be difficult to get expertise on it, as there is no definitive grammar or dictionary of it published in English.
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are a couple of things that are a requirement before a new language gets its first project:
- The language has to have an ISO-639-3 code and it has to be a natural
language; this it is
- A request has to be made on Meta
- An incubator project has to be started and it needs a few hundred
articles of sufficient size that allow an expert to appreciate that it
is
indeed the language it is said to be
- A request for a new language has to be made at at translatewiki.net
- The most used MediaWiki messages need to be localised at
translatewiki.net
What will make a big practical difference is when technical expertise is provided for the creation of an applicable keyboard mapping or WebFonts. Marathi and Nepali both use Devanagari but the rules for combining things is different from for instance Hindi. The best place for this is by creating a language support team for Ahirani. Thanks, Gerard
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters)#Maki...
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working
at L
& T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari"
which
used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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Ahirani is written in the Marathi variant of Devanāgarī, though this is a modern development, the older literature is in the Modi script. Since there already is a Marathi wikipedia, the script should not present a significant obstacle.
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are a couple of things that are a requirement before a new language gets its first project:
- The language has to have an ISO-639-3 code and it has to be a natural
language; this it is
- A request has to be made on Meta
- An incubator project has to be started and it needs a few hundred
articles of sufficient size that allow an expert to appreciate that it is indeed the language it is said to be
- A request for a new language has to be made at at translatewiki.net
- The most used MediaWiki messages need to be localised at
translatewiki.net
What will make a big practical difference is when technical expertise is provided for the creation of an applicable keyboard mapping or WebFonts. Marathi and Nepali both use Devanagari but the rules for combining things is different from for instance Hindi. The best place for this is by creating a language support team for Ahirani. Thanks, Gerard
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters)#Maki... http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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Hi everyone,
Thanks all for your replies and information.. really appreciate it. Yes, the ISO-693 code for Ahirani language is AHR and its very similar to Marathi language and even script is same as which is used for Marathi language, i.e. Devanagari. So there are no obstacles in terms of fonts, characters or symbols. also as mentioned in preivous emails, Ahirani do have estimated million users around the world. I would even say more than million. So you all can imagine, how good opportunity this is. Also I read few requirements mentioned in previous emails..like first I will have to start an incubator project and then the team will finally decide on the basis whether to approve it or not. So I will right away start the incubator project. other than this, I dont see any obstacles as all the requirements seems to be okay.
please let me know if any other major obstacles are there.
regards,
deepak
Home is behind The world ahead. And there are many paths to tread. Through shadow, To the edge of night Until the stars are all alight Mist and shadow Cloud and shade All shall fade All shall...fade.
From: stirling.newberry@xigenics.net Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500 To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Creation of new language - Ahirani
Ahirani is written in the Marathi variant of Devanāgarī, though this is a modern development, the older literature is in the Modi script. Since there already is a Marathi wikipedia, the script should not present a significant obstacle.
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are a couple of things that are a requirement before a new language gets its first project:
- The language has to have an ISO-639-3 code and it has to be a natural
language; this it is
- A request has to be made on Meta
- An incubator project has to be started and it needs a few hundred
articles of sufficient size that allow an expert to appreciate that it is indeed the language it is said to be
- A request for a new language has to be made at at translatewiki.net
- The most used MediaWiki messages need to be localised at
translatewiki.net
What will make a big practical difference is when technical expertise is provided for the creation of an applicable keyboard mapping or WebFonts. Marathi and Nepali both use Devanagari but the rules for combining things is different from for instance Hindi. The best place for this is by creating a language support team for Ahirani. Thanks, Gerard
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters)#Maki... http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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Hi All,
just created a request new language page as per guideline. I am not sure whether its properly created as I had to struggle while using template. Please let me know if any improvement are needed. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ahirani Regards,
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From: deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: stirling.newberry@xigenics.net Subject: RE: [Wikipedia-l] Creation of new language - Ahirani Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:27:02 +0530
Hi everyone,
Thanks all for your replies and information.. really appreciate it. Yes, the ISO-693 code for Ahirani language is AHR and its very similar to Marathi language and even script is same as which is used for Marathi language, i.e. Devanagari. So there are no obstacles in terms of fonts, characters or symbols. also as mentioned in preivous emails, Ahirani do have estimated million users around the world. I would even say more than million. So you all can imagine, how good opportunity this is. Also I read few requirements mentioned in previous emails..like first I will have to start an incubator project and then the team will finally decide on the basis whether to approve it or not. So I will right away start the incubator project. other than this, I dont see any obstacles as all the requirements seems to be okay.
please let me know if any other major obstacles are there.
regards,
deepak
Home is behind The world ahead. And there are many paths to tread. Through shadow, To the edge of night Until the stars are all alight Mist and shadow Cloud and shade All shall fade All shall...fade.
From: stirling.newberry@xigenics.net Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 06:15:27 -0500 To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Creation of new language - Ahirani
Ahirani is written in the Marathi variant of Devanāgarī, though this is a modern development, the older literature is in the Modi script. Since there already is a Marathi wikipedia, the script should not present a significant obstacle.
On Dec 3, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are a couple of things that are a requirement before a new language gets its first project:
- The language has to have an ISO-639-3 code and it has to be a natural
language; this it is
- A request has to be made on Meta
- An incubator project has to be started and it needs a few hundred
articles of sufficient size that allow an expert to appreciate that it is indeed the language it is said to be
- A request for a new language has to be made at at translatewiki.net
- The most used MediaWiki messages need to be localised at
translatewiki.net
What will make a big practical difference is when technical expertise is provided for the creation of an applicable keyboard mapping or WebFonts. Marathi and Nepali both use Devanagari but the rules for combining things is different from for instance Hindi. The best place for this is by creating a language support team for Ahirani. Thanks, Gerard
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters)#Maki... http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team
On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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Hoi, It would be cool when the request for the Ahirani language is completed. What is necessary is information of the "proposer" and people interested in working on this language. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ahirani
In the mean time I have written a "Mingle story" asking for the support for the Ahirani language. The request is to have a configuration *exactly* like Marathi for WebFonts and Narayam. It will likely take three weeks before this is implemented on the Incubator. Before this we will have it implemented on translatewiki.net.
When it has been implemented at twn, we want to get confirmation that it is as it needs to be. Having a "language support team" for Ahirani (and any other language) really helps. http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team Thanks, Gerard
On 3 December 2011 06:38, deepak sapkale deepak_sapkale@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am Deepak Sapkale, 27 year old software engineer, currently working at L & T Infotech. I had attended Wiki Conference India 2011 and was really inspired to create new language which is spoken in my native town. The language is called "Ahirani" . The script of Ahirani is "Devanagari" which used for Hindi and Marathi languages.
Please advise me, how can I proceed with this one.
Regards,
Deepak Sapkale contact no, home: +91-022-21717690 mobile no: +91-9920997888
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