I was the person who noticed the Oregon City article had a copyright notice WITH an invariant section that the notice could not be removed. This violates the copyright agreement to add to Wikipedia (no invariant sections). I respectfully asked Bryce to remove the incompatibility or delete his additions that he claimed credit for. He removed the invariant section. Let me make the rest of this discussion a practical one. Who among us would have accepted it if I would put at the end of *every* 30,000 or so city articles a message that the articles were mine and copyrighted "2002 Derek Ramsey"? I am pretty sure (unless I misunderstand) that if you add to Wikipedia you give your consent to let others modify your work. That may mean eliminating it, removing your copyright notice, or whatever they feel like doing. Wikipedia has a copyright notice and that should be sufficient. If you can't agree to it, you can't add articles, no matter how much we want them. Ram-Man
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The "owner" removed his three routine paragraphs in a snit and I replaced them with six or seven paragraphs more thoroughly covering this interesting little town filled with museums.
Tom Parmenter Ortolan88
|From: Digital Addictions Software digitaladdictions@yahoo.com |Sender: wikipedia-l-admin@wikipedia.org |Reply-To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org |Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:28:14 -0800 (PST) | |I was the person who noticed the Oregon City article had a copyright notice |WITH an invariant section that the notice could not be removed. This violates |the copyright agreement to add to Wikipedia (no invariant sections). I |respectfully asked Bryce to remove the incompatibility or delete his additions |that he claimed credit for. He removed the invariant section. Let me make the |rest of this discussion a practical one. Who among us would have accepted it |if I would put at the end of *every* 30,000 or so city articles a message that |the articles were mine and copyrighted "2002 Derek Ramsey"? I am pretty sure |(unless I misunderstand) that if you add to Wikipedia you give your consent to |let others modify your work. That may mean eliminating it, removing your |copyright notice, or whatever they feel like doing. Wikipedia has a copyright |notice and that should be sufficient. If you can't agree to it, you can't add |articles, no matter how much we want them. | Ram-Man | |
There's a difference between what the GNU FDL will allow, and what we prefer here. Part of the design rationale for the GNU FDL is for authors to be able to retain credit for their work. This we must respect, through the article history, and there are aspects of this which are imperfect in our current implementation.
But socially and traditionally on the wikipedia, we have a strong culture of non-ownership of articles, in the sense that we don't think of individual articles as "ours". Someone who wants permanent "credit" for an article, using the mechanisms of the GNU FDL, may contribute things that we have to respectfully decline in order to keep our wiki nature.
So, Ram-Man, yes, you are right, it would have been not well received socially had you wanted to put your name into all those articles.
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I was the person who noticed the Oregon City article had a copyright notice WITH an invariant section that the notice could not be removed. This violates the copyright agreement to add to Wikipedia (no invariant sections). I respectfully asked Bryce to remove the incompatibility or delete his additions that he claimed credit for. He removed the invariant section. Let me make the rest of this discussion a practical one. Who among us would have accepted it if I would put at the end of *every* 30,000 or so city articles a message that the articles were mine and copyrighted "2002 Derek Ramsey"? I am pretty sure (unless I misunderstand) that if you add to Wikipedia you give your consent to let others modify your work. That may mean eliminating it, removing your copyright notice, or whatever they feel like doing. Wikipedia has a copyright notice and that should be sufficient. If you can't agree to it, you can't add articles, no matter how much we want them. Ram-Man
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