Hello all
I have responded privately to Erik on all his very kind comments.
I will just copy here one very technical part of it, to explain why *I* think there is a problem.
Second, I note that Erik has decided to blame all on me. That won't do it Erik.
Many months ago, a french person told me an ambassador should not voice any personal position on the ML, for fear of making appear the personal position as hir wikipedia position. Today, Erik decides to blame the ambassador for reporting criticism and problems reported by other users.
Hence, I will from now on separate these two identities and make better use of basic google translations.
Anthere
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When I say you have no reaction, I don't talk about the anon votes. I saw your comments. I talk about the cheating. I translate Olie report that people have been cheating. I ask what we should do to compensate the cheat. I suggest the different options I can imagine. And I get no response from you. Since you are the one who are gonna make the counts, I think you could have answered the propositions I made to fix things the best we could. To be fair to the artist. If you do not answer, I consider that my propositions are all fine by you, so I tell which one I will do. Which is "adding the logo upon which was practiced the vandalism to the list of final logos if it is not in the final list you set".
Perhaps is there a cultural issue there ? On the en wiki, I know people always suggest to be bold. On the french wiki, most people insist it is better to explain the changes we plan to do before hand. I follow the french practice, and tell you what I will do. Letting the opportunity for other propositions or comments. No comments = all agree. Okay ?
Say there are some presidential elections, with 15 candidates, among which Chirac, LePen and Jospin. 100 people are voting.
The vote session last 7 hours.
If all goes fine, let's say Chirac makes 60, LePen makes 16 and Jospin 15 . At the end of the vote, Chirac and Lepen are left for second turn, and Jospin goes crying in his mother's arms.
Now, let's say that during 1 hour, the voting papers for Lepen are replaced by those of Jospin. Voters see there are two papers for Jospin perhaps, they vote taking the wrong paper, but it does not matter, the officials count the papers and Jospin is still 15.
Now, there are quite a bunch of people who came during that unfortunate hour, and they were not aware LePen was a candidate. So, they use their votes differently...perhaps, they vote for Noel Mam�re instead of LePen! So, in the end, LePen votes are not 16, there are only 14.
Final results : Chirac 60, LePen 14 and Jospin 15. Who goes crying in his mother's arms ?
Right.
I did not count, but about 20 people came to vote at a moment 124 bulletin was not there. They did not see the logo. Hence they could not vote for it. So, I just say, if this logo is number 11th this evening, it might be very unfair, for maybe 20 people would have voted for it. Or perhaps none of them. We just don't know.
Here is why I say, in any cases, this logo should be there. If it is 11th, we should have 11th logos for the final vote.
Or we need to contact ALL the individual voters who came around when this logo was not available. Which will be a real pain.
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"Chirac 60, LePen 14 and Jospin 15. Who goes crying in his mother's arms?" LePen and Jospin. Or Jospin and LePen. Who cares?
I suggest adding the logo you like as the 11th even if it ends up on the 100th place in the final count -- who knows if those 20 people, should they have seen the logo, wouldn't have called all their friends to vote for it? But alas! that logo wasn't visibile, so they never saw it, so we'll never know if they would have done it. The problems with what-ifs...
Now seriously, add that logo as the 11th regardless of where it stands in the final count. If it's good enough to be selected as the final Wikipedia logo then it's only fair that it makes it in the final round. And if it isn't, then it's not going to get voted for in the final round anyway.
[[Gutza]]
Anthere wrote:
Hello all
I have responded privately to Erik on all his very kind comments.
I will just copy here one very technical part of it, to explain why *I* think there is a problem.
Second, I note that Erik has decided to blame all on me. That won't do it Erik.
Many months ago, a french person told me an ambassador should not voice any personal position on the ML, for fear of making appear the personal position as hir wikipedia position. Today, Erik decides to blame the ambassador for reporting criticism and problems reported by other users.
Hence, I will from now on separate these two identities and make better use of basic google translations.
Anthere
When I say you have no reaction, I don't talk about the anon votes. I saw your comments. I talk about the cheating. I translate Olie report that people have been cheating. I ask what we should do to compensate the cheat. I suggest the different options I can imagine. And I get no response from you. Since you are the one who are gonna make the counts, I think you could have answered the propositions I made to fix things the best we could. To be fair to the artist. If you do not answer, I consider that my propositions are all fine by you, so I tell which one I will do. Which is "adding the logo upon which was practiced the vandalism to the list of final logos if it is not in the final list you set".
Perhaps is there a cultural issue there ? On the en wiki, I know people always suggest to be bold. On the french wiki, most people insist it is better to explain the changes we plan to do before hand. I follow the french practice, and tell you what I will do. Letting the opportunity for other propositions or comments. No comments = all agree. Okay ?
Say there are some presidential elections, with 15 candidates, among which Chirac, LePen and Jospin. 100 people are voting.
The vote session last 7 hours.
If all goes fine, let's say Chirac makes 60, LePen makes 16 and Jospin 15 . At the end of the vote, Chirac and Lepen are left for second turn, and Jospin goes crying in his mother's arms.
Now, let's say that during 1 hour, the voting papers for Lepen are replaced by those of Jospin. Voters see there are two papers for Jospin perhaps, they vote taking the wrong paper, but it does not matter, the officials count the papers and Jospin is still 15.
Now, there are quite a bunch of people who came during that unfortunate hour, and they were not aware LePen was a candidate. So, they use their votes differently...perhaps, they vote for Noel Mamère instead of LePen! So, in the end, LePen votes are not 16, there are only 14.
Final results : Chirac 60, LePen 14 and Jospin 15. Who goes crying in his mother's arms ?
Right.
I did not count, but about 20 people came to vote at a moment 124 bulletin was not there. They did not see the logo. Hence they could not vote for it. So, I just say, if this logo is number 11th this evening, it might be very unfair, for maybe 20 people would have voted for it. Or perhaps none of them. We just don't know.
Here is why I say, in any cases, this logo should be there. If it is 11th, we should have 11th logos for the final vote.
Or we need to contact ALL the individual voters who came around when this logo was not available. Which will be a real pain.
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