All Wikipedians,
Olve Utne (who is starting to get a bit sick of this peck-order-oriented
list...)
I have to agree with Olve. And that is largely why I have not felt like paying attention to wikipedia-l lately. Sorry I haven't been around to voice my opinions against this idiocy. I do not have clearly defined convictions as to the interactions of both parties here (mainly Mark and YOU, harassment squad), but I am certain that this peck-order rudeness is not what Wikipedia needs to be. In fact, I dare say that this stuff needs to end here and now. If I were completely new to Wikipedia and signed up for wikipedia-l, I'd unsubscribe in a heartbeat. Leave Mark W. alone and get on with your lives.
Ooh, and I abbreviated here. Sorry. (Referencing a rude, old e-mail from a certain party which I felt no urge to respond.)
Have a great day. Takk, Ovne. Du forstår Wikipedia-l vel, og jeg er glad i deg for det. Nå skal jeg snakke norsk! (GOD it's been too long. Almost two years since I used Norwegian seriously. At least I can tell you something in Norwegian that people will not undertand literally in English. High five for Nordmenn -- we seem to get along well!)
Mark, you take care. Sorry I haven't been around. You have my support.
~ Jeremy
Agidoda tsalag, kenv; hla yagiliya wigiquediya. (Funny how my identity is meddled with languages, isn't it?)
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Dear Yann, Gerard & al.,
I have noticed that some people find it amusing (or whatever it is) to harrass (!) Mark W. Please stop with it -- Wikipedia has bigger problems than some of you not agreeing with Mark W. Acceptance of escalated personal attacks is one of them -- and it is not exactly like Mark W. has been proven to have a monopoly on those...
Respectfully,
Olve Utne (who is starting to get a bit sick of this peck-order-oriented list...)
At 12:17 04/01/2005 +0000, Yann Forget wrote:
Hi Mark, [...] Please stop spreading FUD. Requests are not well received when they are sent by YOU, that the point.
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
You are like an old record, stuck in the same phrases time and again. You have annoyed and insulted many people and you are unappologetic about it.
I totalty agree with this, but i also want to put some focus on #wikipedia, a few months ago it accualy was a place that one could debate with others, but now it's nothing but insults to people that has other views of the world. (i'll again apoligze for my bad english.) It doesn't serve as an neutral meetingplace for the entire project, no matter what their views are on the war in iraq (for example).
mvh.
Lars Alvik
På 5. jan. 2005 kl. 08.00 skrev jneden@bellsouth.net:
All Wikipedians,
Olve Utne (who is starting to get a bit sick of this peck-order-oriented
list...)
I have to agree with Olve. And that is largely why I have not felt like paying attention to wikipedia-l lately. Sorry I haven't been around to voice my opinions against this idiocy. I do not have clearly defined convictions as to the interactions of both parties here (mainly Mark and YOU, harassment squad), but I am certain that this peck-order rudeness is not what Wikipedia needs to be. In fact, I dare say that this stuff needs to end here and now. If I were completely new to Wikipedia and signed up for wikipedia-l, I'd unsubscribe in a heartbeat. Leave Mark W. alone and get on with your lives.
Ooh, and I abbreviated here. Sorry. (Referencing a rude, old e-mail from a certain party which I felt no urge to respond.)
Have a great day. Takk, Ovne. Du forstår Wikipedia-l vel, og jeg er glad i deg for det. Nå skal jeg snakke norsk! (GOD it's been too long. Almost two years since I used Norwegian seriously. At least I can tell you something in Norwegian that people will not undertand literally in English. High five for Nordmenn -- we seem to get along well!)
Mark, you take care. Sorry I haven't been around. You have my support.
~ Jeremy
Agidoda tsalag, kenv; hla yagiliya wigiquediya. (Funny how my identity is meddled with languages, isn't it?)
Dear Yann, Gerard & al.,
I have noticed that some people find it amusing (or whatever it is) to harrass (!) Mark W. Please stop with it -- Wikipedia has bigger problems than some of you not agreeing with Mark W. Acceptance of escalated personal attacks is one of them -- and it is not exactly like Mark W. has been proven to have a monopoly on those...
Respectfully,
Olve Utne (who is starting to get a bit sick of this peck-order-oriented list...)
At 12:17 04/01/2005 +0000, Yann Forget wrote:
Hi Mark, [...] Please stop spreading FUD. Requests are not well received when they are sent by YOU, that the point.
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
You are like an old record, stuck in the same phrases time and again. You have annoyed and insulted many people and you are unappologetic about it.
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Hi Lars,
I agree with you entirely.
However I think it's more complex than that. #wikipedia descended into total chaos a couple of months ago, when you could call people names and shout swearwords (you might be surprised that certain people said these things). However, more recently, the chanops have tightened down and now law and order have been restored, at least to some extent.
Being off-topic used to be mentioned alot, but people don't seem to mind much anymore (if you do complain, you might even be directed to #en.wikipedia), and now it's more of a chat about anything, but mainly about Wikipedia, and for Wikipedians.
Mark
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:40:42 +0100, Lars Alvik larsal@stud.ntnu.no wrote:
I totalty agree with this, but i also want to put some focus on #wikipedia, a few months ago it accualy was a place that one could debate with others, but now it's nothing but insults to people that has other views of the world. (i'll again apoligze for my bad english.) It doesn't serve as an neutral meetingplace for the entire project, no matter what their views are on the war in iraq (for example).
mvh.
Lars Alvik
På 5. jan. 2005 kl. 08.00 skrev jneden@bellsouth.net:
All Wikipedians,
Olve Utne (who is starting to get a bit sick of this peck-order-oriented
list...)
I have to agree with Olve. And that is largely why I have not felt like paying attention to wikipedia-l lately. Sorry I haven't been around to voice my opinions against this idiocy. I do not have clearly defined convictions as to the interactions of both parties here (mainly Mark and YOU, harassment squad), but I am certain that this peck-order rudeness is not what Wikipedia needs to be. In fact, I dare say that this stuff needs to end here and now. If I were completely new to Wikipedia and signed up for wikipedia-l, I'd unsubscribe in a heartbeat. Leave Mark W. alone and get on with your lives.
Ooh, and I abbreviated here. Sorry. (Referencing a rude, old e-mail from a certain party which I felt no urge to respond.)
Have a great day. Takk, Ovne. Du forstår Wikipedia-l vel, og jeg er glad i deg for det. Nå skal jeg snakke norsk! (GOD it's been too long. Almost two years since I used Norwegian seriously. At least I can tell you something in Norwegian that people will not undertand literally in English. High five for Nordmenn -- we seem to get along well!)
Mark, you take care. Sorry I haven't been around. You have my support.
~ Jeremy
Agidoda tsalag, kenv; hla yagiliya wigiquediya. (Funny how my identity is meddled with languages, isn't it?)
Dear Yann, Gerard & al.,
I have noticed that some people find it amusing (or whatever it is) to harrass (!) Mark W. Please stop with it -- Wikipedia has bigger problems than some of you not agreeing with Mark W. Acceptance of escalated personal attacks is one of them -- and it is not exactly like Mark W. has been proven to have a monopoly on those...
Respectfully,
Olve Utne (who is starting to get a bit sick of this peck-order-oriented list...)
At 12:17 04/01/2005 +0000, Yann Forget wrote:
Hi Mark, [...] Please stop spreading FUD. Requests are not well received when they are sent by YOU, that the point.
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
You are like an old record, stuck in the same phrases time and again. You have annoyed and insulted many people and you are unappologetic about it.
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