In response to continual nagging, I've set up an original-sources wiki so people will stop dumping stuff in ps.wikipedia.org, which is supposed to be for the Pashto-language Wikipedia.
http://sources.wikipedia.org/ now contains a basic wiki for dumping source documents into. Final domain name, title, logo, and magic sources-specific special features (like annotations) are a matter for the future.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
In response to continual nagging, I've set up an original-sources wiki so people will stop dumping stuff in ps.wikipedia.org, which is supposed to be for the Pashto-language Wikipedia.
http://sources.wikipedia.org/ now contains a basic wiki for dumping source documents into. Final domain name, title, logo, and magic sources-specific special features (like annotations) are a matter for the future.
Good!
It didn't take long for people to start screwing it up though. My understanding of the project is that it was for '''original sources'''. Already somebody has moved in a number of lists that properly belong on Wikipedia, an undocumented piece of quasi-Latin, and a purported questionnaire from Marcel Proust of uncertain copyright status.
I think some people need to learn the meaning of "original source", as well as how to document what they put in.
Ec
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 01:09:17AM -0800, Ray wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
In response to continual nagging, I've set up an original-sources wiki so people will stop dumping stuff in ps.wikipedia.org, which is supposed to be for the Pashto-language Wikipedia.
http://sources.wikipedia.org/ now contains a basic wiki for dumping source documents into. Final domain name, title, logo, and magic sources-specific special features (like annotations) are a matter for the future.
Good!
It didn't take long for people to start screwing it up though. My understanding of the project is that it was for '''original sources'''. Already somebody has moved in a number of lists that properly belong on Wikipedia, an undocumented piece of quasi-Latin, and a purported questionnaire from Marcel Proust of uncertain copyright status.
All the articles that are currently in Project Sourceberg are copied from the ps.wikipedia, that has been hijacked to serve as Project Sourceberg wiki until Brion has set up the new wiki.
The lists were deleted from wikipedia after a very long discussion, because they do not belong to wikipedia. (It's the "pi to a 1000 places" kinds of lists). If they wouldn't be at Sourceberg, they would already be gone.
Regards,
JeLuF
Brion wrote
In response to continual nagging, I've set up an
original-sources.
Thank you Brion.
Ec wrote
It didn't take long for people to start screwing it
up though.
No-one's screwing anything up. I probably should have clarified this yesterday, but all that happened last night is that *all* the articles from ps.wikipedia were moved to sources.wikipedia. This was done to clean up what ought to be Pashto Wikipedia. The movement of them to sources did not involve any editorial decisions and it does not reflect a view that those articles should stay here. It was just easier to get them moved in one go. Later, when we have some policies there, we can decide what needs to be done with them. Most of them have not been edited since their move here, so they all need work, if not deletion.
Ec wrote
Already somebody has moved in a number of lists that
properly belong on Wikipedia
It was decided at Wikipedia that raw data such as lists of postcodes were not encyclopedic, which is why they moved from Wikipedia to ps.wikipedia in the first place.
There are a number of things which need to be decided - [[Project Sourceberg:What Wikisource is not]] is probably a good place to start. We also need to decide whether to stick with the name Project Sourceberg, or to go with Wikisource (or WikiSource) or something else entirely. Also, Walter has asked at Wikisource whether the intention is for the site to be international. I was assuming it was and we already have articles in Latin, Polish, French and German, but that decision is another one which will need to be made.
Angela
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Angela wrote:
Ec wrote
Already somebody has moved in a number of lists that
properly belong on Wikipedia
It was decided at Wikipedia that raw data such as lists of postcodes were not encyclopedic, which is why they moved from Wikipedia to ps.wikipedia in the first place.
"It was decided" - passive verb - by whom?
The debate at Talk:Lists of postal and zip codes of the world/Delete http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lists_of_postal_and_zip_codes_of_the_world/Delete . seems inconclusive, so there wasn't much of a decision there. The move to ps seems to have come as a convenient afterthought that really didn't get much discussion. It should be sent back to Wikipedia where all the linkages can be established.
Ec
At http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lists_of_postal_and_zip_codes_of_the_worl..., Fonzy made the suggestion to move the page to Wikisource and for nearly two months, no-one objected to that.
That would appear to me to be a strong sign of consensus that the decision had been accepted, rather than a sign of anything inconclusive, and I fully support Patrick's decision to action Fonzy's suggestion.
Following the movement of the material elsewhere, Martin redirected the page to ZIP code. The article was never removed from Wikipedia and I have temporarily reverted the redirect so the issue can be re-discussed at http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lists_of_postal_and_zip_codes_of_the_worl....
Angela.
--- Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote: > Angela wrote:
Ec wrote
Already somebody has moved in a number of lists
that
properly belong on Wikipedia
It was decided at Wikipedia that raw data such as lists of postcodes were not encyclopedic, which is
why
they moved from Wikipedia to ps.wikipedia in the
first
place.
"It was decided" - passive verb - by whom?
The debate at Talk:Lists of postal and zip codes of the world/Delete
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lists_of_postal_and_zip_codes_of_the_world/Delete
. seems inconclusive, so there wasn't much of a decision there. The move to ps seems to have come as a convenient afterthought that really didn't get much discussion. It should be sent back to Wikipedia where all the linkages can be established.
Ec
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