Cormac Lawler wrote:
Is there a Kate's tools-like way of counting the number of pages that link to any given page through the "What links here" function? This would be useful to see which policy pages are most often cited, for example.
Oh, and I mean a *simple* tool for a technologically simple guy like me.
That's a very interesting idea! I just posted an answer to my blog: http://wm.sieheauch.de/?p=19
Greetings, Jakob
I have copied the text of your blog entry here for the convenience of those who would rather read it on-list:
Cormac Lawler invented a simple but interesting wikimetric method to measure the importance of different guidelines in a Wiki community: Just count the number of links to it! That's citation analysis isn't it? :-) Well, you don't really measure the importance but the number of times Wikipedians refer to a specific rule. Here is how to do it:
1. Select a site and "What links here", for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_o... 2. Select "500″ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=W... 3. Modify the the URL "offset=0″ to different higher values until the "next 500″ link disapears but the list of pages not (you have to play around a bit) - you can also browse with prev/next 500 link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=W... 4. Switch to smaller number than 500 and browse to the end http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=W... 5. Have a look at the URL and add the offset plus the number of pages in the list: 6. 10660 + 2 = 10662 pages linking to Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
That's it. You can also change the limit=500 value to jump higher steps.
I just counted 5600 links to Wikipedia:Wikiquette. So beeing friendly is half as important as beeing right, isn't it? ;-)
Assume_good_faith is linked 1188 times and Be bold in updating pages 9174 (all numbers determinded only some minutes ago - remember Wikipedia grows fast)
Let me know your results with other guidelines! You can also compare relativ numbers between different languages.
On 23/08/05, Jakob Voss jakob.voss@nichtich.de wrote:
Cormac Lawler wrote:
Is there a Kate's tools-like way of counting the number of pages that link to any given page through the "What links here" function? This would be useful to see which policy pages are most often cited, for example.
Oh, and I mean a *simple* tool for a technologically simple guy like me.
That's a very interesting idea! I just posted an answer to my blog: http://wm.sieheauch.de/?p=19
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On 8/24/05, Jakob Voss jakob.voss@nichtich.de wrote:
Cormac Lawler wrote:
Is there a Kate's tools-like way of counting the number of pages that link to any given page through the "What links here" function? This would be useful to see which policy pages are most often cited, for example.
Oh, and I mean a *simple* tool for a technologically simple guy like me.
That's a very interesting idea! I just posted an answer to my blog: http://wm.sieheauch.de/?p=19
Greetings, Jakob
Thanks so much Jakob :-D
Andrew had already more or less suggested this but it wasn't until your detail that i figured out how to actually play with it - which was exactly my point. I've been playing around with it for a bit and some further results I got were (I redid NPOV and BOLD myself just to double check I was doing it ok):
NPOV: 10,668 BOLD: 9,172 NOT: 7,245 Civility: 4,658 CITE: 2,969 No personal attacks: 1,572 NOR: 1,473 BITE: 1,081 Dispute resolution: 213
(Jakob got 5600 links for Wikipedia:Wikiquette and 1,188 for Assume_good_faith)
Interesting.
Thanks again - and by the way, it's ridiculously charitable to suggest I "invented" this; it was as always a collaborative venture ;-)
Cheers Cormac
Yes, it is ridiculously charitable: neither of you are the first ones to use that method. I for one have used it in the past, and I'm sure others have too.
So neither of you "invented" it -- that function has been in the software all along. You certainly discovered it, but you weren't the first to do so.
Obviously, this can be done with any list produced by the MediaWiki software: user contributions (doesn't work for older users), whatlinkshere, etc.
Mark
On 24/08/05, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/24/05, Jakob Voss jakob.voss@nichtich.de wrote:
Cormac Lawler wrote:
Is there a Kate's tools-like way of counting the number of pages that link to any given page through the "What links here" function? This would be useful to see which policy pages are most often cited, for example.
Oh, and I mean a *simple* tool for a technologically simple guy like me.
That's a very interesting idea! I just posted an answer to my blog: http://wm.sieheauch.de/?p=19
Greetings, Jakob
Thanks so much Jakob :-D
Andrew had already more or less suggested this but it wasn't until your detail that i figured out how to actually play with it - which was exactly my point. I've been playing around with it for a bit and some further results I got were (I redid NPOV and BOLD myself just to double check I was doing it ok):
NPOV: 10,668 BOLD: 9,172 NOT: 7,245 Civility: 4,658 CITE: 2,969 No personal attacks: 1,572 NOR: 1,473 BITE: 1,081 Dispute resolution: 213
(Jakob got 5600 links for Wikipedia:Wikiquette and 1,188 for Assume_good_faith)
Interesting.
Thanks again - and by the way, it's ridiculously charitable to suggest I "invented" this; it was as always a collaborative venture ;-)
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Mark Williamson wrote:
Yes, it is ridiculously charitable: neither of you are the first ones to use that method. I for one have used it in the past, and I'm sure others have too.
So neither of you "invented" it -- that function has been in the software all along. You certainly discovered it, but you weren't the first to do so.
Obviously, this can be done with any list produced by the MediaWiki software: user contributions (doesn't work for older users), whatlinkshere, etc.
There are better, more accurate ways to do this, which generally involve running Perl scripts over database dumps. The disambiguation link repair lists on en: are generated this way. With Perl and a DB dump, pretty much anything is possible :)
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On 8/24/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
There are better, more accurate ways to do this, which generally involve running Perl scripts over database dumps. The disambiguation link repair lists on en: are generated this way. With Perl and a DB dump, pretty much anything is possible :)
Yes, but the original question was a (technologically) *simple* way. I asked this question a little more succinctly on the wiki-research-l list; Andrew (Fuzheado) tried to explain, but I still managed not to get it ;-) If, however you would like to either create this tool or write a simple "how to" guide of the method you describe, I would be eternally grateful.
Cormac
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