Hi
I'm new on this list and interested in finding out if I can use the wikipedia method of working in a specific collaborative project to document a computer industry technical standard. Collaborators are all over the world and in different companies so it looks like an ideal approach.
Questions:
(1) Is the wikipedia server software available so we could set up a documentation server of our own for this specialist purpose?
(2) if the software isn't available, could I set up a really specialized set of pages in the wikipedia itself? For example pages of the kind the would be added see http://fonts.apple.com/TTRefMan/RM06/Chap6.html
Thanks in advance for any advice and pointers
Peter Lofting Fonts Group Apple Computer
Yes, the software is available from UseMod.com. This is "UseMod Wiki" software.
Locally, we are running a slighly hacked version, but the changes are probably only of local interest.
Soon, we will probably be switching to a home-grown PHP wiki... Magnus's software. "Soon" might mean this month, but more likely means "in the next few months", I think.
If there's something special about our hacked version that you want, we can give it to you.
Peter Lofting wrote:
Hi
I'm new on this list and interested in finding out if I can use the wikipedia method of working in a specific collaborative project to document a computer industry technical standard. Collaborators are all over the world and in different companies so it looks like an ideal approach.
Questions:
(1) Is the wikipedia server software available so we could set up a documentation server of our own for this specialist purpose?
(2) if the software isn't available, could I set up a really specialized set of pages in the wikipedia itself? For example pages of the kind the would be added see http://fonts.apple.com/TTRefMan/RM06/Chap6.html
Thanks in advance for any advice and pointers
Peter Lofting Fonts Group Apple Computer
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On Monday 01 October 2001 22:59, Peter Lofting wrote:
(2) if the software isn't available, could I set up a really specialized set of pages in the wikipedia itself?
Larry is going to blacklist me for even suggesting this, but this might be a case where subpages are not such a bad idea ...
But may I suggest that even if you decide to go with your own wiki, you upload the evolving standard to wikipedia once a month or so? Perhaps with a message noting that editing it on the wikipedia will be a fairly futile effort, since you will be overwriting it once a month, and if they want to contribute they should contact you. That way your team could develop it without interference from the yahoos, and wikipedia would still have the advantage of making the information available.
I just discovered http://experts.yahoo.com/. (How long has this been going on?) Looks like fertile ground for recruiting article writers/editors/reviewers. Those of us non-experts who dabble on pages out of our league (or am I the only one? :-) can pose thoughtful questions to experts in the appropriate category. We can get answers and then maybe entice them into contributing to the 'pedia themselves!
<>< Tim
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This is a good idea...you could perhaps explain the idea on
http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Wikipedia_help_desk
Larry
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Tim Chambers wrote:
I just discovered http://experts.yahoo.com/. (How long has this been going on?) Looks like fertile ground for recruiting article writers/editors/reviewers. Those of us non-experts who dabble on pages out of our league (or am I the only one? :-) can pose thoughtful questions to experts in the appropriate category. We can get answers and then maybe entice them into contributing to the 'pedia themselves!
<>< Tim
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At 6:04 PM +0200 10/2/01, Michel Clasquin wrote:
Larry is going to blacklist me for even suggesting this, but this might be a case where subpages are not such a bad idea ...
But may I suggest that even if you decide to go with your own wiki, you upload the evolving standard to wikipedia once a month or so? Perhaps with a message noting that editing it on the wikipedia will be a fairly futile effort, since you will be overwriting it once a month, and if they want to contribute they should contact you. That way your team could develop it without interference from the yahoos, and wikipedia would still have the advantage of making the information available.
Thanks for the suggestion. Its early days yet and by no means a done deal. I need to set up demos and get consensus in our project team before we make a decision.
Best wishes
Peter
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Michel Clasquin wrote:
On Monday 01 October 2001 22:59, Peter Lofting wrote:
(2) if the software isn't available, could I set up a really specialized set of pages in the wikipedia itself?
Larry is going to blacklist me for even suggesting this, but this might be a case where subpages are not such a bad idea ...
I just wanted to point out that I do not have a "blacklist" and I haven't yet found a use for one--in fact, I've never once seriously considered the idea.
I have also (surprisingly perhaps) made a suggestion, at
http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Larry_Sanger/Wikipedia_as_a_first_home_for_oth...
that is rather similar to your own suggestion, Michel. But the general response to the idea seems to have been, "It's really easy to set up a wiki--why should we encourage people to start their wiki projects on Wikipedia?" Makes sense to me. Besides, Bomis is (still) threatening to make its own "wiki farm."
I'm not sure if what Peter's working on is the sort of information that belongs in an encyclopedia--but if so, I'd second your request.
Larry
At 12:30 PM -0700 10/3/01, lsanger@nupedia.com wrote:
I'm not sure if what Peter's working on is the sort of information that belongs in an encyclopedia--but if so, I'd second your request.
The information is a set of data structures each requiring comment from multiple users in the industry. Not unusual in structure -mostly textual references.
BTW: All Mac and Windows users, you are viewing your web page text using these TrueType font structures right now :-)
I like the idea of a beta on the wikipedia site to get consensus up on the use of the wiki approach.
Could I make up a set of pages with the following master page and links to each of the pages listed below?
Best wishes
Peter.
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An Overview of special font tables The Font Directory The 'acnt' (accent attachment) table The 'avar' (axis variation) table The 'bdat' (bitmap data) table The 'bhed' (bitmap font header) table The 'bloc' (bitmap location) table The 'bsln' (baseline) table The 'cmap' (character code mapping) table The 'cvar' (CVT variation) table The 'cvt ' (control value) table The 'EBSC' (embedded bitmap scaling control) table The 'fdsc' (font descriptor) table The 'feat' (layout feature) table The 'fmtx' (font metrics) table The 'fpgm' (font program) table The 'fvar' (font variation) table The 'gasp' (grid-fitting and scan-conversion procedure) table The 'glyf' (glyph outline) table The 'gvar' (glyph variation) table The 'hdmx' (horizontal device metrics) table The 'head' (font header) table The 'hhea' (horizontal header) table The 'hmtx' (horizontal metrics) table The 'hsty' (horizontal style) table The 'just' (justification) table The 'kern' (kerning) table The 'lcar' (ligature caret) table The 'loca' (glyph location) table The 'maxp' (maximum profile) table The 'mort' (metamorphosis) table The 'morx' (extended metamorphosis) table The 'name' (name) table The 'opbd' (optical bounds) table The 'OS/2' (compatibility) table The 'post' (glyph name and PostScript compatibility) table The 'prep' (control value program) table The 'prop' (properties) table The 'trak' (tracking) table The 'vhea' (vertical header) table The 'vmtx' (vertical metrics) table The 'Zapf' (glyph reference) table
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