Hello,
An old theme just came up on the Wikipedia mailing list again : Wikipedia strongly encourages[1] using theora encoding, strongly enough that I don't think we currently host any other video encodings...[2] however, most users know how to make and edit and play mpegs, and find theora hard to work with.
http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-March/038244.html
Perhaps the theora-dev list can help us overcome our technical problems so that we have a reasonable choice in setting policy...
SJ
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Video_policy (could use better theora information) [1.1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multimedia (ditto, also better ogg information)
[2] Article containing one of the only known video files on Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophic_cardiomyopathy
Actually, one more movie:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Jack-russell.mov
It's a Quicktime movie with the On2 VP3 codec.
So kind of pre-Theora. :)
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:57:59 -0500, Sj 2.718281828@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
An old theme just came up on the Wikipedia mailing list again : Wikipedia strongly encourages[1] using theora encoding, strongly enough that I don't think we currently host any other video encodings...[2] however, most users know how to make and edit and play mpegs, and find theora hard to work with.
http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-March/038244.html
Perhaps the theora-dev list can help us overcome our technical problems so that we have a reasonable choice in setting policy...
SJ
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Video_policy (could use better theora information) [1.1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multimedia (ditto, also better ogg information)
[2] Article containing one of the only known video files on Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophic_cardiomyopathy _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Sj wrote:
[2] Article containing one of the only known video files on Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophic_cardiomyopathy
I was about to write a mail asking you where in the world there's a video file on that page, but after about 10 minutes of looking and mouseovering every single link, I finally figured out that the .ogg file on that page is actually a video file. Even using Mozilla Firefox on Linux, clicking on the link spawned my audio player, due to the .ogg extension, which in typical use means "Ogg Vorbis audio file".
.ogm (for "Ogg Media") is a de-facto standard extension for Ogg files containing video, but I'm not aware of whether Xiph.org has a position on that.
I'm not sure whether sending the right content-type headers would fix the problem; perhaps it would? At the very least, it should say on the page that this is in fact a video file, rather than hoping that people will be able to infer that it's supposed to be a video file...
-Mark
Hi,
just wanted to say that I'm also using Firefox on Linux and the ogg file you mentioned spawned the Helix player on mine and I actually saw the video.
That's all
Pavol
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:51:40 -0500, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
Sj wrote:
[2] Article containing one of the only known video files on Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrophic_cardiomyopathy
I was about to write a mail asking you where in the world there's a video file on that page, but after about 10 minutes of looking and mouseovering every single link, I finally figured out that the .ogg file on that page is actually a video file. Even using Mozilla Firefox on Linux, clicking on the link spawned my audio player, due to the .ogg extension, which in typical use means "Ogg Vorbis audio file".
.ogm (for "Ogg Media") is a de-facto standard extension for Ogg files containing video, but I'm not aware of whether Xiph.org has a position on that.
I'm not sure whether sending the right content-type headers would fix the problem; perhaps it would? At the very least, it should say on the page that this is in fact a video file, rather than hoping that people will be able to infer that it's supposed to be a video file...
-Mark
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Hello Sj,
An old theme just came up on the Wikipedia mailing list again : Wikipedia strongly encourages[1] using theora encoding, strongly enough that I don't think we currently host any other video encodings...[2] however, most users know how to make and edit and play mpegs, and find theora hard to work with.
As soon as a content author has got an avi/mpeg/something all she need is to recode to theora, which is not that hard.
On Linux/FreeBSD I am using the theora-encoder script, directly runnable from Konvalo.org (given a Coda client, available there as well).
For Windows, I think http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ contains the necessary information.
http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-March/038244.html
Perhaps the theora-dev list can help us overcome our technical problems so that we have a reasonable choice in setting policy...
The problem of teaching the browsers to launch a right player is a bit of out of our control. A wikipedia page telling how to set suitable options for different browsers possibly would help.
www.theora.org contains links to sites hosting downloadable binaries which can play theora. Besides, mplayer from Konvalo.org can do it (on Linux and *BSD) as well.
Best regards, -- Ivan
I just want to respond to this threat to remind everyone that not everything ending in .ogg that is a video file is an Ogg Theora file, alot, if not the majority of .ogg video (ogm) files are actually xvid files with Ogg Vorbis audio.
The file in question however (on Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) is a theora file.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:36:57 +0000, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
I just want to respond to this threat to remind everyone that not everything ending in .ogg that is a video file is an Ogg Theora file, alot, if not the majority of .ogg video (ogm) files are actually xvid files with Ogg Vorbis audio.
Interesting! Is xvid a similarly free format?
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:07:59 -0500, Sj 2.718281828@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:36:57 +0000, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
I just want to respond to this threat to remind everyone that not everything ending in .ogg that is a video file is an Ogg Theora file, alot, if not the majority of .ogg video (ogm) files are actually xvid files with Ogg Vorbis audio.
Interesting! Is xvid a similarly free format?
xvid is a gratis mpeg4 implementation.
It would violate the spectrum of patents that any other mpeg4 codec implementation.
If xvid were unencumbered there would be no theora. :)
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:07:59 -0500, Sj 2.718281828@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:36:57 +0000, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
I just want to respond to this threat to remind everyone that not everything ending in .ogg that is a video file is an Ogg Theora file, alot, if not the majority of .ogg video (ogm) files are actually xvid files with Ogg Vorbis audio.
Interesting! Is xvid a similarly free format?
It implements the MPEG4 standard, it's non-free in the United States but presumably free outside of the US.
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