Erik wrote:
In my opinion, university degrees are no guarantee for quality. I've seen so many uninspiring mediocre academics (not all of them are like that of course) that it makes me question todays education system.
Oh I agree - One thing I've found out while working on Wikipedia is that my college professors are far from all knowing or neutral. Same goes for my college textbooks. The Wikipedia process has, on a regular basis, greatly improved upon my knowledge of many different subjects.
Another point: let us say several tens of thousands of articles qualify for "Wikipedia Professional". The screening will be a huge undertaking, but it can be done. But after that, how often will people be willing to go through the whole certification process again and again in order to approve possibly small additions and corrections?
The same thing can be argued for free software; Who is going to go through the polishing and performance testing of free software so that it is reasonably safe and easy to use for the user? And yet there are many GNU/Linux distributions that use professional programmers to do just that.
I am not against freezing articles to deal with random troll droppings. I am vehemently against an elitist approach. It blows the whole concept.
But the reality of the world we live in is that a great many people will not let you into the door of an interview without certain pieces of paper indicating you successfully completed some type of process. This is also a major criticism of Wikipedia; that articles are not necessarily checked by "experts" and therefore they should not be trusted.
As I have already indicated I think this is flawed reasoning - but it still is a very widely-held viewpoint.
So I think it would be useful to have a Nupedia stamp of approval on selected Wikipedia content. That satisfies the critics and is one more way to further improve Wikipedia.
That's all - the last thing I am is an elitist; I am, above all else, a pragmatist.
Wikipedia is a hobby, even experts want to take a break from their daily work every now and then, and Wikipedia provides this.
Yes I agree - I am, for example, a trained biologist and yet my contributions to the history, chemistry and geology sections far outshine my contributions to biology. It is fun to learn new things. But that is about the article creation process - I would consider my duty as a Nupedian to check biology-related articles so that people in the very common elitist mindset can think it is safe to use those articles.
So I guess I'm being pragmatic (wanting our content to be viewed by the largest possible audience) while you and others are being idealistic (wanting to rebel against the whole notion of the elitist mindset).
Both views are valid and have their pros and cons.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
While I appreciate the sincerity of your opinion mav -- the question of purpose remains (as Danny stated) Where is the impetus for dividing up Wiki energies?
That these efforts would go toward feeding something else is almost irrelevant -- people can already take what they want *now, (provided FDL) -- why should the WP community put its energy into dividing its own community into tiers, classes, and camps? Life is full-enough of classes, tiers, and camps, -- let someone else set up an Web encyclopedia with peer-reviews and feel-good stamps of authority. They can call it whatever they want. ( Maybe theres one or two out there already. ) As for playing "Jesus" to the supposedly "Lazarus" Nupedia -- don't beat a dead horse.
Whats it trying to prove? It seems the only answer to that is to get non-believers to join Wiki-related (not actually Wiki) efforts , by changing the Wiki belief that got us all here in the first place. The highest principles -- FREEDOM/DEMOCRACY/OPENSOURCE -- embodied in a body of world community knowledge. This stuff is going on the *Ark, my friend.
Your idea seems to be like saying: (*exaggerated for effect) 'Let's get more people to join our congregation by putting a casino/brothel in the basement!' The philosophy of WP is not something that can just be turned around and made to mingle with the non-believer notions that "the Wikipedia is not authoritative." Sca-rew them. That notion, again, only comes from people 1. who've never believed in the Wiki faith, or 2. have lost the faith, or whos faith is slipping.
And, sincerely -- I mean none of this personally -- the comment about your 'choice of projects' was merely an echo of your comment previous.
Respectfully, -S-
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