Great idea Tim! I don't care much for the name - "developer" has been used for a long time to refer to those blessed and wonderful code junkies that hang out on WikiTech-l and play with MediaWiki. Replacing their title with site-administrator will add more confusion as well. Why not just add all those abilities to bureaucrat accounts?
Or better yet, couldn't we even get rid of the bureaucrat account type by requiring at least 3 admins to approve bureaucrat+-type actions? Kinda like requiring two keys turned by two people at once and having to enter the correct codes in order to launch a nuke.
The idea of adding yet another level of hierarchy to our community doesn't rub me the right way...
Tim Starling wrote:
I'll also take this opportunity to drop a few subtle hints.
Maveric149
Wikipedia's most active contributor,
Not in the article space lately. I think over half my edits are to non-article pages now (lot's of organizational and meta-type work) I'm also not currently the most active (just historically and *only* based on number of edits - most of which are small edits I do while I'm checking anon and other edits on Recentchanges). To see who is most active currently, look for names off the 'last 30 days' column at http://www.wikipedia.org/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm#wikipedians
Maveric149 has done a tremendous amount of work for Wikipedia over the last two years.
Thanks for the compliment. :-)
Mav is always cool and rational when dealing with a dispute, and works hard to find a compromise amenable to all parties.
I try to be that way - but I've been more or less told by some people that I am sometimes borderline cold in my coolness. Some of those same people seem to think I take my rational tendencies a bit too far (I've been accused of not giving emotional context enough consideration - only looking at the bare facts). While I don't agree with those criticisms, I cannot say that I really disagree.
Respect for him in the community is universal.
If true, which I don't think it is, then I would be very uncomfortable with that - I don't want my words to have disproportionately more force than their actual content and inherent merit.
There is also at least one former Wikipedian that would probably disagree with your statement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:168...
I'm sure there are others but none have yet stated that fact on my RfC page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Mav
Angela
Angela has been extremely active in the Wikipedia and Wikipedia talk namespaces over the last 6
months, organising the formation of many policies.
In her enthusiasm for weeding and quality control, she has edited almost every functioning Wikimedia wiki.
I completely agree with all that.
She also lives in a different time zone to Mav, so she'll be able to deal with situations arising when Mav is unavailable.
IIRC Bryan Derksen lives in British Columbia and is thus in the same timezone as I am. There are certainly many other highly-respected and very active Wikipedians in time zones near mine.
--- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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Daniel Mayer wrote:
Great idea Tim! I don't care much for the name - "developer" has been used
for
a long time to refer to those blessed and wonderful code junkies that hang
out
on WikiTech-l and play with MediaWiki. Replacing their title with site-administrator will add more confusion as well. Why not just add all
those
abilities to bureaucrat accounts?
Because I tried to do that and I was shouted down from all sides, that's why.
Or better yet, couldn't we even get rid of the bureaucrat account type by requiring at least 3 admins to approve bureaucrat+-type actions? Kinda
like
requiring two keys turned by two people at once and having to enter the
correct
codes in order to launch a nuke.
That's far more complicated to implement, that's the main argument against it. It also slows down response times. Additionally, people are generally opposed to giving sysops power which stretches across multiple wikis. Key to this proposal is that it allows for interwiki administration, a power formerly only given to data-processing specialists.
The idea of adding yet another level of hierarchy to our community doesn't
rub
me the right way...
It's not another level. One level is deleted, another is created in its place. The number of levels is the same. All I want is for non-programmers to take over certain jobs from programmers.
Respect for him in the community is universal.
If true, which I don't think it is, then I would be very uncomfortable
with
that - I don't want my words to have disproportionately more force than
their
actual content and inherent merit.
Of course, sorry if I offended you.
-- Tim Starling
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