The Dutch are progressing in creating a chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. A Wiki-site to support the initiative is live for a week now at http://nl.wikimedia.org/ The domain wikimedia.nl has been squatted by Sam van Buuren on January 25th, 2005. We'll have to reclaim that.
The Netherlands Antilles are still a country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands (as is Aruba). Their official language is Papiamentu, ISO-639 code is PAP. Surinam is a former colony of the Netherlands. Half their population is living in the Netherlands. Their tongue is Sranang Tongo, ISO-639 code presumed to be SRN. The Dutch Wikimedia chapter to be incorporated will have as mission to support all projects run by people in the Netherlands regardless of language. Frysian and Limurgian projects (fy and li) have already been started. There are no projects in Papiamentu or Sranang Tongo yet.
We would like to establish an initial framework for these two languages to provide a head start to these communities. Waerth pushed me to take the first step.
Dedalus
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Dedalus wrote
We would like to establish an initial framework for these two languages to provide a head start to these communities. Waerth pushed me to take the first step.
I asked you for support and to wait untill we could get a list of about 5 people supporting this. So I could make a comprehensive proposal. Thanks for not waiting
grmbl
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This is incorrect. It is not "the" language of Surinam. Only 120.000 are native speakers of this language. There are actually MORE native speakers of Dutch (200.000) and Carribean Hindustani (150.000) than of Sranan Tongo. There are also 60.000 native speakers of Carribean Javanese, 50.000 of Guyanese Creole English, 23.000 of Saramaccan, 15.000 of Aukan (aka Ndjuka, written in some parts with its own unique syllabary), 6.000 of Chinese (all Hakka), 2.400 of Carib, 1.000 of Arawak, 1.000 of Trió, 400 of Wayana, 100 of Kwinti, 50 of Akulyo, and various others.
In short, Surinam is a very linguistically diverse place.
In the Antilles and Aruba, in addition to Papiamentu, there is Virgin Islands Creole English which is spoken by 13.000 people (including the entire population of 3 different islands).
Mark
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:47:26 +0200, Huikeshoven, A.H. AHuikeshoven@minszw.nl wrote:
The Dutch are progressing in creating a chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. A Wiki-site to support the initiative is live for a week now at http://nl.wikimedia.org/ The domain wikimedia.nl has been squatted by Sam van Buuren on January 25th, 2005. We'll have to reclaim that.
The Netherlands Antilles are still a country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands (as is Aruba). Their official language is Papiamentu, ISO-639 code is PAP. Surinam is a former colony of the Netherlands. Half their population is living in the Netherlands. Their tongue is Sranang Tongo, ISO-639 code presumed to be SRN. The Dutch Wikimedia chapter to be incorporated will have as mission to support all projects run by people in the Netherlands regardless of language. Frysian and Limurgian projects (fy and li) have already been started. There are no projects in Papiamentu or Sranang Tongo yet.
We would like to establish an initial framework for these two languages to provide a head start to these communities. Waerth pushed me to take the first step.
Dedalus
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You mow the grass away before my feet, as a Dutch expression says, but I fully support you. I was planning to learn Papiamentu/o as soon as my study and social life would allow me to do so and then request a Wikipedia in it. So you already have my support, though I hardly know any native speakers.
However, AFAIK Piapiamentu is just one of the official languages of Aruba (where it is spelt /Papiament*o*/ but pronounced the same way) and is nothing but the vernacular language on Aruba and Bonaire, where Dutch is still the only official language. This due to a generally negative regard on Papiamentu's abilities as a language for anything else than ordinary daily speech (for anything about non-ordinary topics is has to borrow from Dutch, sometimes from Spanish), not in the least by its native speakers. But maybe they made it official in the last few months?
Node ue is right to say that there are many more languages than Sranantongo only in Surinam. In this case, consider creating a Sarnami wikipedia as well.
Thanks,
Wouter
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This is incorrect. It is not "the" language of Surinam. Only 120.000
are native speakers of this language. There are actually
MORE native speakers of Dutch (200.000)
Having lived in Surinam for quite some time and having gone to school there. Both Dutch and Sranan are used at school. And both are the official language. Sarnami Hindoestani which you call: Carribean Hindustani (150.000) is NOT an official language.
Waerth/Walter
Official status? I didn't say anything about that. And AFAIK only Dutch is official.
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:14:12 +0700, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
This is incorrect. It is not "the" language of Surinam. Only 120.000
are native speakers of this language. There are actually
MORE native speakers of Dutch (200.000)
Having lived in Surinam for quite some time and having gone to school there. Both Dutch and Sranan are used at school. And both are the official language. Sarnami Hindoestani which you call: Carribean Hindustani (150.000) is NOT an official language.
Waerth/Walter
On Mar 31, 2005 9:39 PM, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Official status? I didn't say anything about that. And AFAIK only Dutch is official.
Ever been in Surinam? Ever lived there? Ever gone to school there? Ever seen that part of the curicullum is Sranang?
W
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suriname http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinam
Native-language curricula don't nessecarily equal official status.
For example, there have been at times native-language instruction programs in Grenada for Grenadan Creole English, but that is definitely NOT an official language of Grenada.
Mark
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