Hello Mark W.,
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:50:24 -0700, you wrote:
I think the key here is, when using Windows, what version of Uniscribe you are using, not the browser (also, it may depend on what font you are using
- some fonts have opentype tables for diacritic positioning, others don't).
I already pointed out that the problems are *specific* to Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox. Also, the fonts creating problems in Firefox do not create those problems in other, non-Mozilla, programs.
As far as Uniscribe goes, I use version 1.471.4030.0 -- a version which should be quite able to handle this, as indeed it proves to do in all the other programs I run --, and I have put a local copy in the "Mozilla Firefox" program folder without that making any difference.
I have basically no problems in Opera, IE, OpenOffice 1.1.3, Windows Notepad and Windows WordPad except for the occasional minor kerning problems in PDF creation -- a problem that is widely known as a separate issue..
The font I use the most is Ezra SIL SR -- a font that basically has all the OpenType tables you may desire... The following page from my own web site can serve as a test page:
http://utne.nvg.org/j/toledot/zebedhabbat.html
The CSS stylesheet used for this page has Hebrew font set in prioritised order for paragraphs of the type p.he: line-height: 18pt; text-align:justify; font-family: "Ezra SIL SR", "Ezra SIL", "SBL Hebrew", Cardo, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 14pt; font-weight: normal; direction: rtl;
If you have all the fonts installed, you might note that the main header of the page, in SBL Hebrew, displays its Hebrew correctly, -- whilst the paragraphs further down on the page, in Ezra SIL SR, do not.
The font Ezra SIL SR has no problems with rendering in Opera, IE, OpenOffice 1.1.3, Windows Notepad and Windows WordPad -- and there is no sensible reason that I know of for it not being able to do the same glyph substitution in Mozilla / M. Firefox...
In case you think that my manually coded CSS and HTML may be especially faulty, you can also check the following page from Mechon-Mamre:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c0101.htm
The CSS style sheet for that page contains the following specifications:
font-family:"Ezra SIL SR","Ezra SIL",code2000,Cardo,"Guttman Vilna-Normal",Galaxie,"Arial Unicode MS";color:#000000;background-color:#FFFFFF;margin:1.5em;
seemed like people were like "Oh, did you try this? Didn't work? Oh well." which can hardly be a good thing for FireFox.
Exactly... :] For the time being, Firefox seems to be just a bit too flaky to be of sufficent use even for people who know pretty well what they are doing -- and we cannot expect that people who don't know CSS- and HTML-coding ++ to be happy with a product that even reasonably code-savvy people have trouble with...
-Olve
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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:19:25 -0500, Olve Utne utne@nvg.org wrote:
Hello Mark W.,
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:50:24 -0700, you wrote:
I think the key here is, when using Windows, what version of Uniscribe you are using, not the browser (also, it may depend on what font you are using
- some fonts have opentype tables for diacritic positioning, others don't).
I already pointed out that the problems are *specific* to Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox. Also, the fonts creating problems in Firefox do not create those problems in other, non-Mozilla, programs.
As far as Uniscribe goes, I use version 1.471.4030.0 -- a version which should be quite able to handle this, as indeed it proves to do in all the other programs I run --, and I have put a local copy in the "Mozilla Firefox" program folder without that making any difference.
That's interesting... do you have the "always use my fonts" box checked? Other than that, I can't see why it might be working for me but not you.
However, upon checking I *do* see that FF won't display complex diacritics for Hebrew for me - but I can still display other complex Uniscribe handling features for Arabic, for example I can view Arabic pages in Nafees Nastaleeq which is a real feat.
I have basically no problems in Opera, IE, OpenOffice 1.1.3, Windows Notepad and Windows WordPad except for the occasional minor kerning problems in PDF creation -- a problem that is widely known as a separate issue..
The font I use the most is Ezra SIL SR -- a font that basically has all the OpenType tables you may desire... The following page from my own web site can serve as a test page:
http://utne.nvg.org/j/toledot/zebedhabbat.html
The CSS stylesheet used for this page has Hebrew font set in prioritised order for paragraphs of the type p.he: line-height: 18pt; text-align:justify; font-family: "Ezra SIL SR", "Ezra SIL", "SBL Hebrew", Cardo, "Times New Roman", Times, serif; font-size: 14pt; font-weight: normal; direction: rtl;
If you have all the fonts installed, you might note that the main header of the page, in SBL Hebrew, displays its Hebrew correctly, -- whilst the paragraphs further down on the page, in Ezra SIL SR, do not.
The font Ezra SIL SR has no problems with rendering in Opera, IE, OpenOffice 1.1.3, Windows Notepad and Windows WordPad -- and there is no sensible reason that I know of for it not being able to do the same glyph substitution in Mozilla / M. Firefox...
In case you think that my manually coded CSS and HTML may be especially faulty, you can also check the following page from Mechon-Mamre:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c0101.htm
The CSS style sheet for that page contains the following specifications:
font-family:"Ezra SIL SR","Ezra SIL",code2000,Cardo,"Guttman Vilna-Normal",Galaxie,"Arial Unicode MS";color:#000000;background-color:#FFFFFF;margin:1.5em;
seemed like people were like "Oh, did you try this? Didn't work? Oh well." which can hardly be a good thing for FireFox.
Exactly... :] For the time being, Firefox seems to be just a bit too flaky to be of sufficent use even for people who know pretty well what they are doing -- and we cannot expect that people who don't know CSS- and HTML-coding ++ to be happy with a product that even reasonably code-savvy people have trouble with...
It's usually not too much trouble for me to switch browsers whenever I need a function FF doesn't support, and sometimes I go without the feature. But admittedly it isn't fun.
Mark
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