-----Original Message----- From: Frederick Noronha [mailto:fred@bytesforall.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 03:35 AM To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia references a source of anxiety (The Australian)
Wikipedia references a source of anxiety (The Australian) Academe's concern is misplaced, writes Eric Raunchway...
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The history department at Middlebury College in Vermont, the US, has banned students' citation of Wikipedia, saying the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit "suffers inevitably from inaccuracies deriving in large measure from its unique manner of compilation."
What's at stake here isn't error. It's how we in the professional knowledge business greet our new overlords: the plain people of the internet. Right now, we're lobbing fibs at them of just the kind the internet is good at puncturing and, indeed, of just the kind the losing side used the last time our civilisation endured a revolution in the ownership of knowledge.
Wikipedia's founder Jimmy "Jimbo" Wales agrees with the Middlebury historians. "Basically, they are recommending exactly what we suggested: students shouldn't be citing encyclopedias. I would hope they wouldn't be citing Encyclopaedia Britannica, either." All encyclopedias stand several degrees of separation away from the events on which they report.
But by "barring Wikipedia citations without mentioning other encyclopedias", as Middlebury American studies professor Jason Mittell says, "it would seem that their problem is with the Wiki, not the pedia"....
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THE AUSTRALIAN, Wed, Apr 11, 2007 Page 36 (Higher Education)
I was watching the Evening News on ABC the other night and out of Peter Jenning's mouth came a bunch of garbage about how making ethanol from corn was going to increase the price of food: bread, pork, etc were all going to rise in price due to production of ethanol. No analysis of the corn market, alternative sources of supply, of the general worldwide depression of agriculture that has existed since the horse was abandoned for the motor vehicle. No mention that doubling of the price of corn would only result in a few cent price rise of a loaf of bread. (most of the costs are due to production and distribution).
I listened to how wrong and poor the information was and contemplated the wiki world, where such biased garbage would have a half-life of only a few minutes. I've been a captive audience in a few college classes that were no better. They got you, keep you in the dark and feed you horseshit.
Fred
No analysis of the corn market, alternative sources of supply, of the general worldwide depression of agriculture that has existed since the horse was abandoned for the motor vehicle. No mention that doubling of the price of corn would only result in a few cent price rise of a loaf of bread. (most of the costs are due to production and distribution).
No analysis, like in your letter? Don't go blaming the mainstream press for problems you're only compounding.
So let me set the record straight, instead of writing an article on the wiki today. I'm going to do this, because my day job is at a company that invests in alternative energy markets, and that puts me in a position to have quick and easy access to information that may not be easy for the average reader to get their hands on. For instance, the BBG terminal has corn prices going back into the distant past.
Ethanol from corn is nothing more than an expensive form of crop subsidy. Period. It certainly doesn't help the energy situation, carbon balance or most any measure of the enviornment. Sugar cane is one thing, corn-based processes are a joke.
How much of a joke? Well practically _everyone_ except the current administration and the US car companies basically dismiss it completely. If this had anything to do with ethanol, you could just buy it from the Brazilians. But, in fact, the US maintains high import tarrifs on ethanol to prevent this from happening. Why? It's due entirely to lobbying efforts on the part of the car companies and farm subsidy groups. Car companies? Yes, they are well aware that widespread US production is years away, giving them lots of time to do what they have always done in the past -- wait and hope it all blows over. If this had anything to do with the enviornment, switching to diesel would be the trivial solution, but the Europeans and Japanese are far more capable of making this switch. For that reason more than any other, diesel continues to be pooh-poohed by Detroit -- there's been no technical problem for about a decade now (low-sulphur fuel, new engine designs and hybridizing has eliminated any possible compaint).
Now given all of this, you might think that the farmers would be wildly supportive of ethanol. Well that is semi-true for the corn farmers (but not all of them by any means), but practically every other farmer around the world hates it. And when I say around the world, that includes the US, where everyone from the farmers to the USDA is extremely worried about secondary market effects. Of particular worry is feedstock prices, which could be switched to other grains, but only for an economic loss. The reason we feed corn was because it was cheaper than everything else, and since the prices of "everything else" aren't falling, there's no way out. Most worrying, to quote the USDA, is the distinct possibility of "feed grain prices rising above farm program support levels". Read the report yourself:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/FDS/2007/03Mar/FDS07C01/fds07C01.pdf
Further, the price increases in corn have only just started. Until 2005 the price of corn had steadily decreased compared to the CPI, remaining stead around $2 to $2.5/bu unadjusted with periodic weather related spikes to around $3.50. A historical overview can be found here:
http://www.ontariocorn.org/market/basis.html
Currently the price is at it's lowest point in about a year, at $3.71/bu. This is historically unprecedented. Yet this is the _lowest_ price, which peaked over $4.30/bu and is expected by every commodities trader to return to those levels by the end of the season, with $5/bu being widely talked about.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Markets/Commodities/Market_pros_have_a_g...
This IS having shakeout effects on other commodities as farmers attempt to cash in by converting land to corn production, for instance, cotton production is ramping downward.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20070409-0021-farmscene-cottonseas...
Now, as you say, the price of the grain doesn't necessarily imply higher food costs. Well that's great in theory, but the only true measure of food costs is _actual_ food costs. And what's _actually_ happening? Worst case scenario: food costs are up across the board and are only outpaced by energy costs in terms of inflationary pressure.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070410.wxfood0411/BNSto...
Having the govornment dump huge amounts of money into a single point of the economy is a repeated road to ruin. Doing so for what are highly politicized reasons only makes it worse. Its no different this time. If you think "weapons of mass destruction" was a bad idea, this one is likely far far worse for you.
Maury
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Fred Bauder wrote:
I was watching the Evening News on ABC the other night and out of Peter Jenning's mouth came a bunch of garbage about how making ethanol from corn was going to increase the price of food: bread, pork, etc were all going to rise in price due to production of ethanol.
Hmmm! Peter Jennings died in 2005. It must have been his ghost.
Ec
I was thinking, "Didn't he die?" but then I thought of the guy who did ABC's (that is American Broadcasting Corporation, not Australian) evening news last time I saw it, and really I wasn't sure. It was this relatively young guy, and I really thought he was Peter Jennings, but I know that guy is still alive and thanks to you I know for sure now that Peter Jennings is in fact dead. So maybe his ghost hosts it now? I could check Wikipedia, but I am too lazy.
Mark
On 12/04/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Fred Bauder wrote:
I was watching the Evening News on ABC the other night and out of Peter Jenning's mouth came a bunch of garbage about how making ethanol from corn was going to increase the price of food: bread, pork, etc were all going to rise in price due to production of ethanol.
Hmmm! Peter Jennings died in 2005. It must have been his ghost.
Ec
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