Just to remember you that issues about de :en should be argueed in the :en, not in the list of wikimedia
Thanks,
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- Re: Useability (Florence Devouard)
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- Re: Useability (Jussi-Ville Heiskanen)
- Re: Useability (Elias Friedman)
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:30:16 +0200 From: Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: g1rndu$uai$1@ger.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Hello,
The menu on the left hand side lists, in this order
Navigation Main Page Contents Featured content Current events Random article interaction About Wikipedia Community portal Recent changes Contact Wikipedia Donate to Wikipedia Help search search box
Problem: on small screens, the search box is not visible and readers must scroll each time they get to a new page to find it. Whether we are happy with this, or would prefer that people navigate three featured content or indexes or random article, does not change the fact that most poeple actually use search system on internet.
What about changing the search box place ? Perhaps under the logo. Or below the Navigation block. Or fully at the top of the page ?
Ant
I think if you mosey over to Special:Preferences and choose the Skin Classic, your problems are much eased.
A completely different question is why it is only Classic that places the box in that convenient location...
Yours;
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Jussi
Note that I enjoy a large laptop which does not create this problem.
It was reported to me by a head of web companies (whose name I will not give) and who use a smaller laptop. Most users/readers of wikipedia have NO idea there are different skins, and that they might have access to a different interface if they were loggued-in.
Ant
Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally moved to "monobook". There was a real but brief episode where somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel #wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all present to be a sincerely technical one...
I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real" "bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-) I met him at http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse) and the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ... (Eric Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon (once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3 times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july, regarding digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay for this plan is
- because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of industry etc..., and 2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas, including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for *important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country, to let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND to open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday: http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not complain in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not please us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the first time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:14:37 +0300 From: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 4841958D.4010109@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally moved to "monobook". There was a real but brief episode where somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel #wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all present to be a sincerely technical one...
I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real" "bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-) I met him at http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse) and the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ... (Eric Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon (once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3 times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july, regarding digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay for this plan is
- because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of industry etc..., and 2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas, including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for *important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country, to let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND to open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday: http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not complain in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not please us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the first time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
Very cool indeed. Just to continue on the theme of namedropping...
Bessons opposite number in Finnish government ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyrki_J._J._Kasvi ) is a very old friend of mine - when I say old, I mean "when people used to wear bell-bottoms" old.
Though Kasvi isn't currently so well known for his technology & future related endevours, but as one of the prime movers in the scandal that is currently shaking the whole Finnish political system to its core, in regard to transparency of political funding.
Though it is cool to add that my old friend has been very active in updating all the articles on Finnish Parliamentarians on The wikipedia.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 00:01:24 +0200 From: Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: g1shrp$62c$1@ger.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally moved to "monobook". There was a real but brief episode where somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel #wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all present to be a sincerely technical one...
I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real" "bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-) I met him at http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse) and the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ... (Eric Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon (once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3 times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july, regarding digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay for this plan is
- because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of industry etc..., and 2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas, including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for *important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country, to let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND to open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday: http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not complain in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not please us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the first time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
Very cool indeed. Just to continue on the theme of namedropping...
Bessons opposite number in Finnish government ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyrki_J._J._Kasvi ) is a very old friend of mine - when I say old, I mean "when people used to wear bell-bottoms" old.
Can you clarify the meaning of that delicate old-saying ?
Though Kasvi isn't currently so well known for his technology & future related endevours, but as one of the prime movers in the scandal that is currently shaking the whole Finnish political system to its core, in regard to transparency of political funding.
What is this scandal about ? :-)
Ant
Though it is cool to add that my old friend has been very active in updating all the articles on Finnish Parliamentarians on The wikipedia.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:34:05 +0300 From: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 484218AD.7060105@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Interesting. Reminds me of when we originally moved to "monobook". There was a real but brief episode where somebody using the nick "bgates" came into the channel #wikipedia on Internet Relay Chat, and very swiftly exited, after getting an answer that appeared to all present to be a sincerely technical one...
I confess I have ever since wondered was that the "real" "bgates" or just somebody with a sense of humour, who nevertheless was discomfited by our move to monobook.
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Eh :-)
Well, in this case, the guy was real :-) I met him at http://assisesdunumerique.fr/actualites/
Nice opportunity by the way, to mention that last week, I met with various important people (at French scale), in the name of our prime minister (Fillon), the minister of education and research (Pecresse) and the secretary in charge of Innovation, digital economy and etc ... (Eric Besson).
I had the very "blushing-experience" of being both cited by Fillon (once) and Besson (twice) in a public event. I actually met Besson 3 times in two days, including a 7 members-2 hours breakfast at the minister, around digital economy considerations.
One of the top (hot) topic is that Besson has been asked by the prime minister to come with a series of propositions by end of july, regarding digital economy in France. I must point out that the very-short delay for this plan is
- because our government was restructed recently (and for the first
time, digital economy was given to a specific minister, rather than being nicely divided between minister of culture, of education, of industry etc..., and 2) because France will become president of Europe this summer, so obviously want to be a leading force of proposition in various areas, including internet considerations.
Anyway, the Assises du Numerique are usually an opportunity for *important* people (that is... politicians, industrial leaders, public services) to discuss of the future of our country and come up with propositions. Access is restricted.
This year, they decided to have unrestricted access to the Assises, the expand them to a collection of local Assises all accross the country, to let completely open the number of propositions which can be done, AND to open a wiki to either comment or tweak the current propositions, or to make NEW propositions. Is not that amazing ?
THe wiki was opened yesterday: http://wiki.assisesdunumerique.fr/xwiki/bin/view/Assises/
Poeple must log in to access the wiki, but creation of account is totally opened. I tested it yesterday during the Assises. License is cc-by 1.0.
I hope the french editors will take direct action and be a force of proposition. Otherwise, it would really mean that we should not complain in the future if the laws and activity of the government does not please us. We should only complain if they refuse our propositions ;-)
More to come later on the topic. Just wanted to mention it was the first time that my government was actually OPENING a place for us to work on action points together.
THIS is also thanks to us guys...
Ant
Very cool indeed. Just to continue on the theme of namedropping...
Bessons opposite number in Finnish government ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyrki_J._J._Kasvi ) is a very old friend of mine - when I say old, I mean "when people used to wear bell-bottoms" old.
Can you clarify the meaning of that delicate old-saying ?
In practical terms, I first met him at a science fiction convention in Sweden, in the 1980's (85 - 87 or thereabouts. He is a genuinely good guy who has made the international press through having his election campaign web pages include a klingon language version.
Though Kasvi isn't currently so well known for his technology & future related endevours, but as one of the prime movers in the scandal that is currently shaking the whole Finnish political system to its core, in regard to transparency of political funding.
What is this scandal about ? :-)
It seems there was an "accepted practise" whereby politicians would "finesse" a law they had themselves passed about publicity of conflict of interests, through disclosing only innocently named "shell associations" as their campaign financers, so as to avoid having to disclose the businessmens identity who were the real force behind those associations which had no other function than to be a nice name to disclose.
This would have continued with very lax scrutiny, but for one politician refusing to name even the shell companys name, because he had assurances that though illegal, such non-disclosure would carry no punishment.
The poor chap had entirely forgot the court of public opinion.
:D
As my friend J. J. Kasvi asked some very pointed questions about these kind of acts from a person who is supposed to pass the laws, the press have had a field day, exposing the money-men behind the curtains.
Though it is cool to add that my old friend has been very active in updating all the articles on Finnish Parliamentarians on The wikipedia.
yours
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 01:42:18 -0400 From: "Elias Friedman" elipongo@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Useability To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 365b4bc60805312242h5845dfa1k5045e19a1e85f37e@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Problem: on small screens, the search box is not visible and readers must scroll each time they get to a new page to find it. Whether we are happy with this, or would prefer that people navigate three featured content or indexes or random article, does not change the fact that most poeple actually use search system on internet.
What about changing the search box place ? Perhaps under the logo. Or below the Navigation block. Or fully at the top of the page ?
Ant https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
There's actually a discussion going on currently about this very issue/proposal at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Move_the...
or, if that link's too long for your email reader try:
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I'm fairly certain this is about monobook on Wikipedia in general, as Florence primarily uses frwiki, I believe. I have the same issues with whatever language Wikipedia I use.
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I'm fairly certain this is about monobook on Wikipedia in general, as Florence primarily uses frwiki, I believe. I have the same issues with whatever language Wikipedia I use.
Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator
Language is totally irrelevant here :-)
I would even go as far as saying that project is irrelevant as well (same problem on commons or wiktionary actually). But there is no common list for ALL projects :-)
Ant
I would even go as far as saying that project is irrelevant as well (same problem on commons or wiktionary actually). But there is no common list for ALL projects :-)
Well, there's foundation-l. While technically that may be intended for discussion about the foundation as a whole, rather than all of the projects, but it's generally used for both. (The distinction is a rather technical one, anyway.)
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