I am working on a new anti-vandalism application for Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. Before I get really deep into coding, I need to make sure that it will actually be used.
The basic problem that the application addresses is vandalism getting through Wikipedia's vandalism catching systems. The Wikipedia community does an excellent job overall, but every once in a while vandalism (subtle or obvious) gets through. I personally have come across a few pieces of vandalism that were months old.
The way the problem is addressed is to gather all edits together on a central server. Approved users would connect to the server and examine the edits for vandalism. If a certain number of users approve the edit it is removed from the pool. Edits marked as vandalism ("condemned") would be removed after the vandalism has been entirely dealt with: revert, warn, speedy delete, etc.
There are various tricks I can put on the central server to reduce the number of edits that need to be reviewed. The most obvious is a whitelist, but there are many other techniques such as combining edits made in close succession by a single editor to a single article.
Now to my questions. - Does this sound like a good idea in general? - Is there already a project similar to mine that I would be unnecessarily duplicating? - A significant number of users are needed to make the system work. Will the system probably be popular enough to get this minimum number of editors?
Cheers! Aaron DeVore
On 10/30/07, Pingveno pingveno@comcast.net wrote:
I am working on a new anti-vandalism application for Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. Before I get really deep into coding, I need to make sure that it will actually be used.
The basic problem that the application addresses is vandalism getting through Wikipedia's vandalism catching systems. The Wikipedia community does an excellent job overall, but every once in a while vandalism (subtle or obvious) gets through. I personally have come across a few pieces of vandalism that were months old.
The way the problem is addressed is to gather all edits together on a central server. Approved users would connect to the server and examine the edits for vandalism. If a certain number of users approve the edit it is removed from the pool. Edits marked as vandalism ("condemned") would be removed after the vandalism has been entirely dealt with: revert, warn, speedy delete, etc.
There are various tricks I can put on the central server to reduce the number of edits that need to be reviewed. The most obvious is a whitelist, but there are many other techniques such as combining edits made in close succession by a single editor to a single article.
Now to my questions.
- Does this sound like a good idea in general?
- Is there already a project similar to mine that I would be unnecessarily
duplicating?
There might be, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevswhich is set to begin beta-testing on the German Wikipedia very soon.
- A significant number of users are needed to make the system work. Will the
system probably be popular enough to get this minimum number of editors?
Cheers! Aaron DeVore
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
On 10/30/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/30/07, Pingveno pingveno@comcast.net wrote:
I am working on a new anti-vandalism application for Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. Before I get really deep into coding, I need to make sure that it will actually be used.
The basic problem that the application addresses is vandalism getting through Wikipedia's vandalism catching systems. The Wikipedia community does an excellent job overall, but every once in a while vandalism (subtle or obvious) gets through. I personally have come across a few pieces of vandalism that were months old.
The way the problem is addressed is to gather all edits together on a central server. Approved users would connect to the server and examine the edits for vandalism. If a certain number of users approve the edit it is removed from the pool. Edits marked as vandalism ("condemned") would be removed after the vandalism has been entirely dealt with: revert, warn, speedy delete, etc.
There are various tricks I can put on the central server to reduce the number of edits that need to be reviewed. The most obvious is a whitelist, but there are many other techniques such as combining edits made in close succession by a single editor to a single article.
Now to my questions.
- Does this sound like a good idea in general?
- Is there already a project similar to mine that I would be unnecessarily
duplicating?
There might be, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevswhich is set to begin beta-testing on the German Wikipedia very soon.
Or the old patrolling feature, which is part of mediawiki but not turned on on all projects, last time I checked nl.wp is using it, you need have an account that's a few days old, (but it's been a while) it.wp was/is also using it, you might need moderator or other privileges.
Finne
- A significant number of users are needed to make the system work. Will the
system probably be popular enough to get this minimum number of editors?
Cheers! Aaron DeVore
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On MediaWiki patrol feature, multiple edits on one page still need to be patrolled per single edit. This is inefficient (bug 8697). We from id.wikipedia requested that feature but still not start to use it because of that issue.
Stanley
Finne Boonen wrote:
On 10/30/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/30/07, Pingveno pingveno@comcast.net wrote:
I am working on a new anti-vandalism application for Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. Before I get really deep into coding, I need to make sure that it will actually be used.
The basic problem that the application addresses is vandalism getting through Wikipedia's vandalism catching systems. The Wikipedia community does an excellent job overall, but every once in a while vandalism (subtle or obvious) gets through. I personally have come across a few pieces of vandalism that were months old.
The way the problem is addressed is to gather all edits together on a central server. Approved users would connect to the server and examine the edits for vandalism. If a certain number of users approve the edit it is removed from the pool. Edits marked as vandalism ("condemned") would be removed after the vandalism has been entirely dealt with: revert, warn, speedy delete, etc.
There are various tricks I can put on the central server to reduce the number of edits that need to be reviewed. The most obvious is a whitelist, but there are many other techniques such as combining edits made in close succession by a single editor to a single article.
Now to my questions.
- Does this sound like a good idea in general?
- Is there already a project similar to mine that I would be unnecessarily
duplicating?
There might be, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevswhich is set to begin beta-testing on the German Wikipedia very soon.
Or the old patrolling feature, which is part of mediawiki but not turned on on all projects, last time I checked nl.wp is using it, you need have an account that's a few days old, (but it's been a while) it.wp was/is also using it, you might need moderator or other privileges.
Finne
- A significant number of users are needed to make the system work. Will the
system probably be popular enough to get this minimum number of editors?
Cheers! Aaron DeVore
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
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On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Finne Boonen wrote:
On 10/30/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote: Or the old patrolling feature, which is part of mediawiki but not turned on on all projects, last time I checked nl.wp is using it, you need have an account that's a few days old, (but it's been a while) it.wp was/is also using it, you might need moderator or other privileges.
Finne
Ah, so it looks like my basic idea (centralized verification of edits) isn't entirely new. I'm guessing that the patrolling feature was turned off because there are just too many edits going through Recent Changes for that interface to be useful. Am I correct?
Aaron DeVore
Hi!
The number of admins at pms.wiki is growing, at this point it would be nice to have a mailing list and publicly archive the messages. What should we do to get a list?
Is it possible to localize the interface?
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
On 01/11/2007, Berto 'd Sera albertoserra@ukr.net wrote:
Hi!
The number of admins at pms.wiki is growing, at this point it would be nice to have a mailing list and publicly archive the messages. What should we do to get a list?
Is it possible to localize the interface?
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Get consensus from the community, then request at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
Just one detail, is there anyway I can localize the interface (substribe/unsub, etc). If not, I will have to look for something outside wmf.
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
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On 01/11/2007, Berto 'd Sera albertoserra@ukr.net wrote:
Hi!
The number of admins at pms.wiki is growing, at this point it would be nice to have a mailing list and publicly archive the messages. What should we do to get a list?
Is it possible to localize the interface?
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Get consensus from the community, then request at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
On 01/11/2007, Berto 'd Sera albertoserra@ukr.net wrote:
Just one detail, is there anyway I can localize the interface (substribe/unsub, etc). If not, I will have to look for something outside wmf.
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Majorly Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:21 AM To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Mailing list
On 01/11/2007, Berto 'd Sera albertoserra@ukr.net wrote:
Hi!
The number of admins at pms.wiki is growing, at this point it would be nice to have a mailing list and publicly archive the messages. What should we do to get a list?
Is it possible to localize the interface?
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti
vojaotri)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
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Get consensus from the community, then request at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
-- Alex (Majorly)
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There is, once the list is created there will be a language setting somewhere.
On 01/11/2007, Berto 'd Sera albertoserra@ukr.net wrote:
Just one detail, is there anyway I can localize the interface (substribe/unsub, etc). If not, I will have to look for something outside wmf.
The list information page HTML can be customised, e.g. most of the page for wikien-l is rewritten from the Mailman original:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
I'm not sure about other interface pages. You should be able to get Italian at least, presumably the Mailman project would welcome a new localisation for Piemontese.
- d.
On 02/11/2007, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/11/2007, Berto 'd Sera albertoserra@ukr.net wrote:
Just one detail, is there anyway I can localize the interface (substribe/unsub, etc). If not, I will have to look for something outside wmf.
The list information page HTML can be customised, e.g. most of the page for wikien-l is rewritten from the Mailman original:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
I'm not sure about other interface pages. You should be able to get Italian at least, presumably the Mailman project would welcome a new localisation for Piemontese.
Yep. Check out http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/i18nhowto . (I found all this out when I set up daily-image-l.)
cheers Brianna
On 01/11/2007, Pingveno pingveno@comcast.net wrote:
On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Finne Boonen wrote:
Or the old patrolling feature, which is part of mediawiki but not turned on on all projects, last time I checked nl.wp is using it, you need have an account that's a few days old, (but it's been a while) it.wp was/is also using it, you might need moderator or other privileges.
Ah, so it looks like my basic idea (centralized verification of edits) isn't entirely new. I'm guessing that the patrolling feature was turned off because there are just too many edits going through Recent Changes for that interface to be useful. Am I correct?
Not sure. I tried marking edits as patrolled, but there was something clunky about the interface and people didn't seem terribly interested. I realise of course I should have written up a proper bug report at the time ...
The FlaggedRevisions extension has a lot more interest pushing it forward and a lot of close attention to usability on a busy wiki, i.e. de:wp. So that should be more useful and usable.
- d.
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