It's an absolute disgrace that it should be allowed to continue. It's been clear to me for a while that the large wikipedias are as much about furthering western hegemony as anything else. NPOV generally means making western civilisation look like the absolute pinnacle, POV is when one dares challenge this hegemony. Write about vikings or celts and you can say anything you want without ever being challenged, dare suggest that something originated in the mediterranean, and all hell breaks loose. Basic premise of NPOV? Civilisation flows from north to south and west to east, don't you ever dare suggest that it has been in the reverse in the past! You think I am exaggerating - for starters try checking out the article on race and IQ, to me it looks like a gathering point for white supremists - but hey, who am I to question that? Add a graph, quote the odd looney tune scientist, and presto, you have an idiotic article that absolutely crashes through the POV barrier. It laughably suggests that as a matter of course, the average monolingual, barely literate, uncultured Homer Simpson has on average a 50% greater IQ than the average sub-saharan African - let's get real people! NPOV indeed. pippu d'angelo Message: 10 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:59:23 +0700 From: Walter van Kalken Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Insulting the islam is allowed on nl: wikipedia To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Message-ID: <43DF895B.90409(a)vankalken.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed On nl: wikipedia we have a user (Torero) who under him quoting the rights of freedom of speech is insulting the islam and everyone who doesn't think like him on a regular basis. Today he wrote: http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Overleg:DemoCrates.net&diff=3… Allah Akbar is almost the same as Heil Hitler. This is not the first time he did this. He has insulted the islam and muslims on multiple occasions. Also he constantly accuses people of being leftwing etc. Unfortunately this is "tolerated" on nl: by the mods and anyone else who do not dare to pose an opposition against these kind of users. And everytime he apologises some time later. But what does an apology count for if he keeps on repeating himself time and time again. And again a user who happens to be muslim is going on wikibreak because of this. Freedom of speech ????? Waerth/Walter --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3 _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

You think I am exaggerating - for starters try checking out the article on race and IQ, to me it looks like a gathering point for white supremists - but hey, who am I to question that? Add a graph, quote the odd looney tune scientist, and presto, you have an idiotic article that absolutely crashes through the POV barrier. It laughably suggests that as a matter of course, the average monolingual, barely literate, uncultured Homer Simpson has on average a 50% greater IQ than the average sub-saharan African - let's get real people! NPOV indeed.