I merged my little script with the fine layout from the other page. Please try again http://mitglied.lycos.de/manske/wiki/test.php (Sorry for the banner, I can't help it)
I included the English and German intro, as well as the localized search function. The word "Search" and the intro will appear in English for all other browser settings, as English is the default for languages that don't have an intro text of their own.
Known problems: * Neutral or localized logo is needed * Maybe an unobstrusive link in or close to the intro to the English wikipedia, as an anchor for anyone who is stuck on a foreign PC ("This page in English") * Works only for Phase III wikipedias (.org)
Magnus
Hi Magnus,
Magnus Manske magnus.manske@epost.de writes:
I merged my little script with the fine layout from the other page. Please try again http://mitglied.lycos.de/manske/wiki/test.php (Sorry for the banner, I can't help it)
I would suggest to emphasize the language wikipedia preferred by the browser simply by coloring the link in a nice, dark red instead of the green of the other ones, no table border. Maybe add also an <hr>-tag between introduction and language section.
Meanwhile I updated http://www.djini.de/Uploads/wikipedia/wikipedia2.html (stylesheet also updated) to show the "working"-sentences in italic, I think this is better.
greetings, elian
"Magnus Manske" skribis je "wikipedia-l"
I merged my little script with the fine layout from the other page. Please try again http://mitglied.lycos.de/manske/wiki/test.php (Sorry for the banner, I can't help it)
If one don't want to see the ads, simply switch off JavaScript. (Yes, I also use a lycos-page ...)
I included the English and German intro, as well as the localized search function. The word "Search" and the intro will appear in English for all other browser settings, as English is the default for languages that don't have an intro text of their own.
Please do not use simply English whenever the first language of the user is not known. Look forward in the list of the user languages, the second one might be available.
(In my case, German was at place 2, (eo at one), but I got an English page (English is only at place 3 in my list).)
Paul
Paul Ebermann wrote:
Please do not use simply English whenever the first language of the user is not known. Look forward in the list of the user languages, the second one might be available.
(In my case, German was at place 2, (eo at one), but I got an English page (English is only at place 3 in my list).)
I a "live" version, you'd have gotten the eo text anyway. There'd be no problem to go through the languages like that, but I just didn't bother on the test page.
"Magnus Manske" skribis:
Paul Ebermann wrote:
Please do not use simply English whenever the first language of the user is not known. Look forward in the list of the user languages, the second one might be available.
(In my case, German was at place 2, (eo at one), but I got an English page (English is only at place 3 in my list).)
I a "live" version, you'd have gotten the eo text anyway. There'd be no problem to go through the languages like that, but I just didn't bother on the test page.
My Esperanto was only an example. Some people may use an exotic language, for which we don't have a wikipedia (x-klingon?) at first place and another "popular" language at second place (f.i. german), for which a wikipedia exists. Why should those people get an english page instead of the german one?
I think, the problem (and the solution) is clear now ...
Paul
"Magnus Manske" skribis:
I merged my little script with the fine layout from the other page. Please try again http://mitglied.lycos.de/manske/wiki/test.php (Sorry for the banner, I can't help it)
Did you ever looked at it by Opera? http://www.mathematik.hu-berlin.de/~ebermann/vikipedio/magnus.jpg
(Elian's page has the same problems.)
Paul
Paul Ebermann wrote:
Did you ever looked at it by Opera? http://www.mathematik.hu-berlin.de/~ebermann/vikipedio/magnus.jpg
(Elian's page has the same problems.)
That looks more like an Opera problem with SmallCaps. It should wrap the lines at the space, as IE and Mozilla do.
Anyway, that's a stylesheet issue. The only question right now is, would a page /like that/ acceptable as the project main page? Cunc?
elian wrote:
Hi Magnus,
Magnus Manske magnus.manske@epost.de writes:
I merged my little script with the fine layout from the other page. Please try again http://mitglied.lycos.de/manske/wiki/test.php (Sorry for the banner, I can't help it)
I would suggest to emphasize the language wikipedia preferred by the browser simply by coloring the link in a nice, dark red instead of the green of the other ones, no table border. Maybe add also an <hr>-tag between introduction and language section.
Meanwhile I updated http://www.djini.de/Uploads/wikipedia/wikipedia2.html (stylesheet also updated) to show the "working"-sentences in italic, I think this is better.
greetings, elian
Elian,
That's a ''really'' nice design for the multi-lingual-portal page. However, I suggest that page should not be the front page http://www.wikipedia.org/, which I think should be consist of
* a thin welcome banner with links pointing to the multi-lingual-portal page (eg http://www.wikipedia.org/index1.html) and the multi-lingual Wikipedia foundation page. * a drop-down language-selection menu * a search bar AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: * the front page content of the localised Wikipedia of the user's or browser's choice, as per my previous comments
-- Neil
elian wrote:
Hi Magnus,
Magnus Manske magnus.manske@epost.de writes:
I merged my little script with the fine layout from the other page. Please try again http://mitglied.lycos.de/manske/wiki/test.php (Sorry for the banner, I can't help it)
I would suggest to emphasize the language wikipedia preferred by the browser simply by coloring the link in a nice, dark red instead of the green of the other ones, no table border. Maybe add also an <hr>-tag between introduction and language section.
Meanwhile I updated http://www.djini.de/Uploads/wikipedia/wikipedia2.html (stylesheet also updated) to show the "working"-sentences in italic, I think this is better.
greetings, elian
Elian,
That's a ''really'' nice design for the multi-lingual-portal page. However, I suggest that page should not be the front page http://www.wikipedia.org/, which I think should be consist of
* a thin welcome banner with links pointing to the multi-lingual-portal page (eg http://www.wikipedia.org/index1.html) and the multi-lingual Wikipedia foundation page. * a drop-down language-selection menu * a search bar AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: * the front page content of the localised Wikipedia of the user's or browser's choice, as per my previous comments
-- Neil
[Note: The message that I'm replying to wasn't sent to <intlwiki-l>. Or maybe it went under separate cover; I'm not sure.]
Neil Harris wrote:
[...] I suggest that [...] http://www.wikipedia.org/ [...] should be consist of
- a thin welcome banner with links pointing to the multi-lingual-portal
page (eg http://www.wikipedia.org/index1.html) and the multi-lingual Wikipedia foundation page.
- a drop-down language-selection menu
- a search bar
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:
- the front page content of the localised Wikipedia of the user's or
browser's choice, as per my previous comments
This is an interesting idea. It combines the best of the multilingual portal front page idea (the existence of such a page, the choice of language selection) with the best of the browser sniffing idea (a language specific front page that is most likely what they want).
I don't suppose that you have a mock up of your own? ^_^
-- Toby
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