wikipedia.com still redirects to en
Indeed - can somebody change it?
Mark
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:55:58 +0200, NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
wikipedia.com still redirects to en
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Mark Williamson schreef:
Indeed - can somebody change it?
Mark
Many thanks for the portal at www.wikipedia.org
Regarding www.wikipedia.com;
Wikipedia is a non-profit organization. It is even more non-profit then most non-profit organizations.
* no paid staff * absolutely no ads * income are only form donations * access to the product is free, use of the product for commercial purpose is allowed
You can not be more non-profit then Wikipedia.
For this reason Wikipedia should be proud to be a .org
If you use wikipedia.com and redirect directly to wikipedia.org most users will not notice the difference.
I suggest to point www.wikipedia.com to a very basic page that contains;
Wikipedia IS NOT .com
www.wikipedia.org
And a auto redirect whit a delay of 8 seconds.
Instead of IS NOT you can use the symbol = whit / over it.
Education is the objective of Wikipedia . Lets learn our users that there is a difference between a .org and a .com
To name Wikipedia a .com is a great insult to all Wikipedians.
NSK wrote:
wikipedia.com still redirects to en
Fixed, here are some of the redirects now set up:
wikipedia.com -> www.wikipedia.org www.wikipedia.com -> www.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.com -> en.wikipedia.org wikipaedia.net -> www.wikipedia.org wikipedia.net -> www.wikipedia.org www.wikipedia.net -> www.wikipedia.org wikipedia.co.uk -> en.wikipedia.org
www.wikipedia.org redirects the index page to the PHP script extract2.php, and everything else to the corresponding page in en.wikipedia.org. So for example the legacy URL http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Wikipedia would find its way to the correct page via two redirects.
As always, you can view the redirector configuration at
http://wikimedia.org/conf/redirects.conf
The new www.wikipedia.org special case is at:
http://wikimedia.org/conf/www.wikipedia.conf
-- Tim Starling
On Sunday 09 January 2005 05:57, Tim Starling wrote:
wikipedia.co.uk -> en.wikipedia.org
There is no reason to have co.uk redirect to .org because English is not the only language spoken in the United Kingdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_Kingdom
Please either create a special portal for co.uk or make it redirect to wikipedia.org
NSK wrote:
On Sunday 09 January 2005 05:57, Tim Starling wrote:
wikipedia.co.uk -> en.wikipedia.org
There is no reason to have co.uk redirect to .org because English is not the only language spoken in the United Kingdom.
There's a very good reason for having that redirect set up. It's been like that forever, we don't have a portal, and I couldn't be bothered making one. Write one yourself if it concerns you so much.
-- Tim Starling.
What's the very good reason? That it's been like that forever? That's not a reason.
As long as article URLs can find their way to en.wikipedia, the .co.uk article should redirect to http://www.wikipedia.org/ . No specific country URL should redirect to a specific Wikipedia, at least when it's a URL we have control over, and even country-specific portals (ie the ch-portal) might inconvenience users whose language falls outside of the languages included in the portal.
How much will it inconvenience somebody who tries to go to http://wikipedia.co.uk/ to end up at a site asking them to select their language?
Mark
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:41:13 +1100, Tim Starling t.starling@physics.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
NSK wrote:
On Sunday 09 January 2005 05:57, Tim Starling wrote:
wikipedia.co.uk -> en.wikipedia.org
There is no reason to have co.uk redirect to .org because English is not the only language spoken in the United Kingdom.
There's a very good reason for having that redirect set up. It's been like that forever, we don't have a portal, and I couldn't be bothered making one. Write one yourself if it concerns you so much.
-- Tim Starling.
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MW> No specific MW> country URL should redirect to a specific Wikipedia.
What if a country is monolingual?
RC> Are there countries which outlaw any speakers of *any other language*, RC> from residing in that country? RC> -Bop
Maybe, but I'm talking about countries where there is only one language native to that country.
On Jan 9, 2005, at 2:32 AM, Paweł 'Ausir' Dembowski wrote:
RC> Are there countries which outlaw any speakers of *any other language*, RC> from residing in that country? RC> -Bop Maybe, but I'm talking about countries where there is only one language native to that country.
Personally, I find the concept of "native language for a country" to be something of a broken, and archaic, concept. Languages have never been defined by rigid lines drawn on a battlefield, or defined by those who lived in a land 200 years ago. Very few countries (if any?) have had the same lines for as long as their language has been "native", in a long term sense. Can you think of any "countries" which have kept the same language for the last 4000 years, without changing their language?
Another point: If an english tourist is traveling in Poland or the Ukraine, but chooses to write wikipedia articles on the road, should they be compelled to see a website that they cannot understand, before they can get to a website that they do understand? While some countries may have an official "native" language, it does not follow that all people who are writing articles from a given country prefer to (or can) speak the local language.
-Bop
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Hi Ronald,
Another point: If an english tourist is traveling in Poland or the Ukraine, but chooses to write wikipedia articles on the road, should they be compelled to see a website that they cannot understand, before they can get to a website that they do understand? While some countries may have an official "native" language, it does not follow that all people who are writing articles from a given country prefer to (or can) speak the local language.
True. But why should an english tourist traveling in Poland use wikipedia.pl instead of wikipedia.co.uk (or even en.wikipedia.org) he or she uses to open up wikipedia at home?
I thing our international domains (that is .com, even if the US doesn't see it so, .org, .net and maybe an .edu) should link to the portal, and all geographic top level domains (co.uk, pl, de, ...) should link to either a specific portal if the political entity is strongly multilingual (.ch) or to TLD.wikipedia.org.
I also would like to say I like Magnus proposal to highlight the browser preference language in some way. __ . / / / / ... Till Westermayer - till we *) . . . mailto:till@tillwe.de . www.westermayer.de/till/ . icq 320393072 . Hirschstraße 5. 79100 Freiburg . 0761 55697152 . 0160 96619179 . . . . .
TW> True. But why should an english tourist traveling in Poland use TW> wikipedia.pl instead of wikipedia.co.uk (or even en.wikipedia.org) he or TW> she uses to open up wikipedia at home? TW> I thing our international domains (that is .com, even if the US doesn't TW> see it so, .org, .net and maybe an .edu) should link to the portal, and TW> all geographic top level domains (co.uk, pl, de, ...) should link to TW> either a specific portal if the political entity is strongly TW> multilingual (.ch) or to TLD.wikipedia.org. TW> I also would like to say I like Magnus proposal to highlight the browser TW> preference language in some way.
Polish might link to a portal, though, as we have a minority language with a Wikipedia in Poland - Cashubian (csb.wikipedia.org), although it's not very active...
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Till Westermayer wrote:
I also would like to say I like Magnus proposal to highlight the browser preference language in some way.
Instead of highlighting one language, one can waste a bit of screen real estate duplicating information: what about a prominently displayed box with something like this:
"Wikipedia in your language: Portugu�s"
if I have pt: as my browser language? (maybe translating also the "in your language", if a translation is available).
After this box, the usual wikipedia listing of languages in reverse article count order, like www.wikipedia.org right now.
In this way, if one has a language preference he can find it quickly, without searching in 100s of languages. If you speak Spanish and you instead want to edit the Kurdish wikipedia, search for Kurd� in the big list.
Alfio
Name me a monolingual country, and I will show you a flying pig.
Mark
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:45:08 +0100, Paweł 'Ausir' Dembowski fallout@lexx.eu.org wrote:
MW> No specific MW> country URL should redirect to a specific Wikipedia.
What if a country is monolingual?
-- Ausir Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia http://pl.wikipedia.org
On Monday 10 January 2005 01:45, Mark Williamson wrote:
Name me a monolingual country, and I will show you a flying pig.
Sealand
I said a country, not a principality.
Mark
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:13:33 +0200, NSK nsk2@wikinerds.org wrote:
On Monday 10 January 2005 01:45, Mark Williamson wrote:
Name me a monolingual country, and I will show you a flying pig.
Sealand
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On Monday 10 January 2005 01:45, Mark Williamson wrote:
Name me a monolingual country, and I will show you a flying pig.
Brazil - every brazilian resident speaks portuguese. There are no communities (with internet access at least) that have any other language as a main language. Now show me the pig... ;-)
This is sorely wrong.
Among others, what about the huge Japanese community in Brazil?
Mark
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:03:13 -0300, Alexandre Passos alexandre.tp@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday 10 January 2005 01:45, Mark Williamson wrote:
Name me a monolingual country, and I will show you a flying pig.
Brazil - every brazilian resident speaks portuguese. There are no communities (with internet access at least) that have any other language as a main language. Now show me the pig... ;-)
--
- Alexandre
Mark Williamson (node.ue@gmail.com) [050109 16:01]:
What's the very good reason? That it's been like that forever? That's not a reason.
The bit where he suggested someone write one if they want to fix it is probably a reason ;-)
(I'm surprised there isn't a [[en:Scots language]] wikipedia yet. I'll see if I can interest Juthware from scotstext.org ...)
- d.
He said that there's a "very good reason" that it redirects. He stated none.
As for Scots, this is something I have thought about often. I think your best bet would be to ask a developer directly because it will create a fair amount of debate although it will probably be created in the end anyways.
Mark
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:06:12 +1100, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
Mark Williamson (node.ue@gmail.com) [050109 16:01]:
What's the very good reason? That it's been like that forever? That's not a reason.
The bit where he suggested someone write one if they want to fix it is probably a reason ;-)
(I'm surprised there isn't a [[en:Scots language]] wikipedia yet. I'll see if I can interest Juthware from scotstext.org ...)
- d.
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 03:06:12 +1100, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
The bit where he suggested someone write one if they want to fix it is probably a reason ;-)
(I'm surprised there isn't a [[en:Scots language]] wikipedia yet. I'll see if I can interest Juthware from scotstext.org ...)
I've thought the same for a while. I don't know any Scots (aside from the words to Auld Lang Syne and some Burns) but would be willing to learn and contribute.
I think a Scots wikipedia would be pretty successful. Because Scots is close to English, the barrier to entry for amateurs is much lower than for the other smaller British languages.
Steve
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