I've set up Wiktionaries for all 146 languages that have a Wikipedia. There's known teething problems, however they should be good be working well enough now for people to get started. The most important problem is that many languages have a project namespace of "Wikipedia" (or the transliterated equivalent), but the interface messages point to "Wiktionary". I suggest that for the time being, people should put pages in the real Wikipedia: namespace, and set up redirects from the Wiktionary: pseudo-namespace where necessary. Wiktionaries with no language file, or with language files which use $wgMetaNamespace, do not suffer this problem.
The MediaWiki namespaces have been copied from the associated Wikipedias, with the local term for "Wikipedia" replaced by "Wiktionary".
To request adminship or bureaucratship on the new wiktionaries, go to:
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_Wiktionary_permissions
I've set up a few basic kinds of interwiki links, which may be expanded or modified in the future. The "w:" prefix should link to the Wikipedia in the same language. Language prefixes link to other language Wiktionaries. To link to a different language Wikipedia, use [[Wikipedia:xx:Page]].
This brings the total number of wikis to 298. There's a few technical and administrative changes which occurred to make this happen. Stewards should know that they can change the rights of users on the wiktionaries by appending "wiktionary" to the language code, e.g. "Tim Starling@frwiktionary" . Wikis such as sources and sep11 can now only be accessed by appending "wiki", i.e. metawiki, sourceswiki, quotewiki, sep11wiki and textbookwiki.
Another change is that the English Wiktionary has moved from wiktionary.org to en.wiktionary.org, bringing it into line with the rest of the wiktionaries and with Wikipedia. There are redirects of course, so links won't be broken. The only links that were broken during the construction of these wikis were images uploaded to the English, French or Polish Wiktionaries. The directory layout was rearranged to minimise the overhead per wiki.
-- Tim Starling
Tim,
Thanks.
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 03:26:36AM +1000, Tim Starling wrote:
The MediaWiki namespaces have been copied from the associated Wikipedias, with the local term for "Wikipedia" replaced by "Wiktionary".
Please fix MediaWiki:All messages generator script as it links to wikipedia.org and not wiktionary.org.
cya, grin
[about links from wikipedia to wiktionaries]
How am I supposed to link from hu.wikipedia to hu.wiktionary? I'd say [[wiktionary:word]] but it links to http://wiktionary.org/..word instead.
Additionally [[wiktionary:fi:kukkala]] should redirect to fi.wiktionary which it doesn't do yet.
Which language.php does it use? It should be updated as well.
Which list shall I use for further questions?
Hope it helps. (For me it would :)) Peter
Peter Gervai wrote:
Please fix MediaWiki:All messages generator script as it links to wikipedia.org and not wiktionary.org.
Actually the script wasn't used to generate those pages, they were just copied from the associated wikipedias.
[about links from wikipedia to wiktionaries]
How am I supposed to link from hu.wikipedia to hu.wiktionary? I'd say [[wiktionary:word]] but it links to http://wiktionary.org/..word instead.
Additionally [[wiktionary:fi:kukkala]] should redirect to fi.wiktionary which it doesn't do yet.
All this is fixed now. The "Wiktionary:" prefix still links to the English Wiktionary, but a new "wikt:" prefix has been introduced which links laterally to the wiktionary of the same language. An extra feature has been added to MediaWiki allowing "diagonal" linking, with the help of redirects. A link reading [[wikt:fi:kukkala]] on the German Wikipedia will link to http://de.wiktionary.org/fi:Kukkala, which will redirect to http://fi.wiktionary.org/Kukkala .
Which language.php does it use? It should be updated as well.
It uses the same language as the associated Wikipedia
Which list shall I use for further questions?
It's probably more relevant to foundation-l.
Tomasz Sienicki wrote
While it works on some wiktionaries, it doesn't on pl.wiktionary.org
[[w:entry]] points to www.wikipedia.org (should be pl.wikipedia) [[de:entry]] points to de.wikipedia (should be de.wiktionary).
This was just a caching problem.
[[Wikipedia:de:entry]] does not work at all
Fixed as noted above.
Also, the updated lng file for the Polish Wiktionary was uploaded to http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/LanguageWiktionaryPL.php a month ago.
I'll look into that.
-- Tim Starling
Please have a look on the script, because instead of having yellow pages for Wiktionary: we have that for Wikipedia:. In romanian, we replaced Wiktionary with Wictionar (please see this page: http://ro.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wik%C5%A3ionar:Bun_venit ), and we hope that this pages will become yellow, like in French wiktionary happened.
I hope you know what I meen.
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Tim Starling wrote:
[about links from wikipedia to wiktionaries]
How am I supposed to link from hu.wikipedia to hu.wiktionary? I'd say [[wiktionary:word]] but it links to http://wiktionary.org/..word
instead.
Additionally [[wiktionary:fi:kukkala]] should redirect to fi.wiktionary which it doesn't do yet.
All this is fixed now. The "Wiktionary:" prefix still links to the English Wiktionary, but a new "wikt:" prefix has been introduced which links laterally to the wiktionary of the same language. An extra feature has been added to MediaWiki allowing "diagonal" linking, with the help of redirects. A link reading [[wikt:fi:kukkala]] on the German Wikipedia will link to http://de.wiktionary.org/fi:Kukkala, which will redirect to http://fi.wiktionary.org/Kukkala .
Why would that intermediate step be needed? The default to the English Wiktionary should only apply when the target language cannot be easily ascertained. This would often be the case where the source project is not divided into separate projects for each language. At this time this would be from everthing except the Wikipedias and Wiktionaries. Other projects with such a structure are easily conceivable, but there is no clamour to have them. If such a possibilty can be accomodated without extraordinary measures, so much the better.
Ec
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