Sorry to keep on about this, but I'm still not clear as to whether this will be on in 1.5 - it's not on the 1.5 test wiki. (Brion switched it on and everything broke, so he switched it off again.)
What will it take for it to be switched on in 1.5 on Wikipedia? Or at least on en:?
(I ask in particular because if it's going on then we need to work out what things to rate articles on, debug the interface and so on.)
- d.
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David Gerard schrieb:
Sorry to keep on about this, but I'm still not clear as to whether this will be on in 1.5 - it's not on the 1.5 test wiki. (Brion switched it on and everything broke, so he switched it off again.)
I fixed it (hopefully) and asked Brion to turn it on again.
What will it take for it to be switched on in 1.5 on Wikipedia? Or at least on en:?
(I ask in particular because if it's going on then we need to work out what things to rate articles on, debug the interface and so on.)
The current implementation is mainly for collecting data. You can see a limited statistic of each version of each article, but nothing detailed - - yet.
It would be very helpful for people to try this function and give me feedback on what to add/change.
Magnus
Magnus Manske wrote:
David Gerard schrieb:
Sorry to keep on about this, but I'm still not clear as to whether this will be on in 1.5 - it's not on the 1.5 test wiki. (Brion switched it on and everything broke, so he switched it off again.)
I fixed it (hopefully) and asked Brion to turn it on again.
Ok, I've turned it on.
The current implementation is mainly for collecting data. You can see a limited statistic of each version of each article, but nothing detailed
- yet.
It would be very helpful for people to try this function and give me feedback on what to add/change.
Perhaps I'm dense, but I don't see any way of doing anything with it. The entire form seems to consist of:
[ ] Use my previous assessment where selected 'No opinion' [ ] Clear my older validation data [OK]
Screen shot in Safari 2.0: http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Image:Validation-form.png
Looks the same in Firefox 1.0.4.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber (brion@pobox.com) [050520 23:14]:
Magnus Manske wrote:
The current implementation is mainly for collecting data. You can see a limited statistic of each version of each article, but nothing detailed
- yet.
It would be very helpful for people to try this function and give me feedback on what to add/change.
Perhaps I'm dense, but I don't see any way of doing anything with it. The entire form seems to consist of: [ ] Use my previous assessment where selected 'No opinion' [ ] Clear my older validation data [OK] Screen shot in Safari 2.0: http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Image:Validation-form.png Looks the same in Firefox 1.0.4.
That's all I can see in Mozilla 1.7.8 as well.
At least now it's not breaking everything. Magnus, just give us an interface and you can be sure I'll be flooding you with helpful suggestions ;-D
- d.
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David Gerard schrieb:
Brion Vibber (brion@pobox.com) [050520 23:14]:
Magnus Manske wrote:
The current implementation is mainly for collecting data. You can see a limited statistic of each version of each article, but nothing detailed
- yet.
It would be very helpful for people to try this function and give me feedback on what to add/change.
Perhaps I'm dense, but I don't see any way of doing anything with it. The entire form seems to consist of: [ ] Use my previous assessment where selected 'No opinion' [ ] Clear my older validation data [OK] Screen shot in Safari 2.0: http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Image:Validation-form.png Looks the same in Firefox 1.0.4.
That's all I can see in Mozilla 1.7.8 as well.
At least now it's not breaking everything. Magnus, just give us an interface and you can be sure I'll be flooding you with helpful suggestions ;-D
You could do it all along: just go to "Special pages", "Validate page", "Manage", Add a topic, a number (2 or above), check the checkbox, and there's your topic, for everyone and his/her dog to vote on!
Maybe not *that* intuitive, on second thought ;-)
Anyway, this should be limited to admins or buerocrats or something on the live site. We don't want people to add a million topics to vote on, even on a wiki. Too many choices, not healthy...
I've already added a topic "Strangeness", ranging from 1-5, and an "Include on DVD?", ranging from 1-2; the latter will be automagically displayed as "yes/no".
OK, now go play! :-)
Magnus
Magnus Manske (magnus.manske@web.de) [050521 03:16]:
You could do it all along: just go to "Special pages", "Validate page", "Manage", Add a topic, a number (2 or above), check the checkbox, and there's your topic, for everyone and his/her dog to vote on! Maybe not *that* intuitive, on second thought ;-) Anyway, this should be limited to admins or buerocrats or something on the live site. We don't want people to add a million topics to vote on, even on a wiki. Too many choices, not healthy...
Definitely. Bureaucrat or steward.
I've already added a topic "Strangeness", ranging from 1-5, and an "Include on DVD?", ranging from 1-2; the latter will be automagically displayed as "yes/no". OK, now go play! :-)
I just added "NPOV", range 1-4. How do I validate a version of an article? http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=CompEd&action=validate&oldi... gave me the chance to rate what I thought was that version, although the "View this revision" link was http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=CompEd&oldid= (no actual ID). I clicked radio buttons and hit "OK". I'm not sure anything is registered; certainly nothing shows up at http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=CompEd&action=validate&mode... .
http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=CompEd&action=validate&rcid... gives the same result.
What should be happening and what's the URL to validate a particular version?
(Also, where do we put this in the interface? Probably not a 'validate' link next to every version in the history. A link on each version when it's displayed, including current version?)
- d.
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David Gerard schrieb:
I just added "NPOV", range 1-4. How do I validate a version of an article?
1. Click on "history" 2. Click on the version you would like to validate 3. Click the "Validate" tab 4. Enter data 5. Press da button
Done! :-)
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Alfio Puglisi schrieb:
is there a way to see who validated a certain article? Or which articles a user validated?
I have not made such a display for privacy reasons. Public voting is more a Chinese thing ;-)
It would be no problem, though, to generate such pages. Maybe anonymized would be good (to see the indidual comments).
is there a way to see who created a certain validation topic?
No. My idea was to have consensus first on what topics to create. The execution of that decision is supposed to be a boring thing :-)
Magnus
On 5/20/05, Magnus Manske magnus.manske@web.de wrote:
Alfio Puglisi schrieb:
is there a way to see who validated a certain article? Or which articles a user validated?
I have not made such a display for privacy reasons. Public voting is more a Chinese thing ;-)
Ah. I'd feared this response. We don't have public voting in meat-space for as much for reasons of vote buying than for reasons of privacy and intimidation.
In a world where we can't directly prevent socket puppets, and were intimidation is not likely to have substantial consiquences, I'm not sure the same rules apply.
I'd also like to have just a tad bit more information on our anonymized contributor.. For each hashed contributor I'd like to know: roughly how many edits to the main namespace (we can quantize this into bins that will promise a large anonymity set for example 0-100, 100-500,500-1500, 1500-5000, 5000+, would probably hide a user within a set of many many wikpedias), and potentially a flag that indicates roughly how long the user has been an editor. I'd also want to know how many votes they've cast in total, but thats easy enough to get by walking the dataset. I believe we can provide this data without breaking anonymity.
Although I question the goal of anonymity here. :)
It would be no problem, though, to generate such pages. Maybe anonymized would be good (to see the indidual comments).
Perhaps store each vote with an identifyer which is a sha1(username + wikipedia_secret_cookie). This way we could do proper statistics on the results.
This is pretty important, if I'm trying to decide which articles are important to put on a DVD, the votes of someone who goes around voting 'NO' (or always 'YES') on every article mean absolutly nothing to me (since I can't include them all or exclude them all :) ) and will randomly skew my decision making (based on which subset of the always-no or always-yes crowd has found which subsubset of my articles).
is there a way to see who created a certain validation topic?
No. My idea was to have consensus first on what topics to create. The execution of that decision is supposed to be a boring thing :-)
Thats fair.
It would also be useful to have a 'my votes' feature in watchlist to users would know when it's time to go update their votes on articles. I like how we display the users previous vote when they go to vote on a new revision... it would be handy to have a 'diff from lasttime I voted' button.
On 5/19/05, Magnus Manske magnus.manske@web.de wrote:
I fixed it (hopefully) and asked Brion to turn it on again.
nitpick: When you click the validate tab the page that comes up shows under the article tab, it should stay under the validate tab.
Gregory Maxwell (gmaxwell@gmail.com) [050521 05:55]:
On 5/19/05, Magnus Manske magnus.manske@web.de wrote:
I fixed it (hopefully) and asked Brion to turn it on again.
nitpick: When you click the validate tab the page that comes up shows under the article tab, it should stay under the validate tab.
Ah. Is the interface only present in Monobook? I've been using Classic.
- d.
Yea, it doesn't work in classic currenty. I've been using monobook.
(I'm willy on wheels on the test pedia ;) )
On 5/20/05, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
Gregory Maxwell (gmaxwell@gmail.com) [050521 05:55]:
On 5/19/05, Magnus Manske magnus.manske@web.de wrote:
I fixed it (hopefully) and asked Brion to turn it on again.
nitpick: When you click the validate tab the page that comes up shows under the article tab, it should stay under the validate tab.
Ah. Is the interface only present in Monobook? I've been using Classic.
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David Gerard schrieb:
Gregory Maxwell (gmaxwell@gmail.com) [050521 05:55]:
On 5/19/05, Magnus Manske magnus.manske@web.de wrote:
I fixed it (hopefully) and asked Brion to turn it on again.
nitpick: When you click the validate tab the page that comes up shows under the article tab, it should stay under the validate tab.
Ah. Is the interface only present in Monobook? I've been using Classic.
Yes, I didn't figure out where to put the tab thingy in Classic. Who designed that damned thing anyway?
Oh, wait...
Magnus Manske (magnus.manske@web.de) [050521 06:29]:
David Gerard schrieb:
Ah. Is the interface only present in Monobook? I've been using Classic.
Yes, I didn't figure out where to put the tab thingy in Classic. Who designed that damned thing anyway? Oh, wait...
Shall I report a bug on it working in the One True Skin then? ;-)
The feature looks nice in Monobook and seems to make sense. Are you taking bug reports yet, and shall we start discussing what aspects need rating?
- d.
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David Gerard schrieb:
Magnus Manske (magnus.manske@web.de) [050521 06:29]:
David Gerard schrieb:
Ah. Is the interface only present in Monobook? I've been using Classic.
Yes, I didn't figure out where to put the tab thingy in Classic. Who designed that damned thing anyway? Oh, wait...
Shall I report a bug on it working in the One True Skin then? ;-)
"One skin to bind them all"? Nah, that was last year.
"Revenge of the Skin", anyone? :-)
The feature looks nice in Monobook and seems to make sense. Are you taking bug reports yet,
Sure! But, as it is tradition, I went ahead with the initial coding, and shy away from bugfixing ;-)
and shall we start discussing what aspects need rating?
I just started http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics
Magnus
Magnus Manske (magnus.manske@web.de) [050521 07:42]:
and shall we start discussing what aspects need rating? I just started http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics
Ah good! I just mentioned the validation feature on wikien-l. People will want to go to that page.
- d.
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