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Stephen G.
--- Juan Antonio Ruiz Rivas juanan@us.es wrote:
From: "Juan Antonio Ruiz Rivas" juanan@us.es To: intlwiki-l@nupedia.com Subject: [Intlwiki-l] Enciclopedia Libre Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:38:23 +0200
Hello everybody, greetings from "Enciclopedia Libre".
First of all I want to clarify that general sense from people in EL is about friendship and goodwill towards Wikipedia project, though some of us disagree about some questions concerned to Wikipedia we are talking about in the past.
We were talking and voting about the reunification as we made at
http://enciclopedia.us.es/wiki.phtml?title=Enciclopedia:Retorno_a_Wikipedia
and finally we have decided to stay in the same server here at Sevilla and under the name of "Enciclopedia Libre", nevertheless we do not discard the possibility on returning Wikipedia in the future (whenever people in Wikipedia agree) and our wish is about collaboration, talking and good relationships.
I think the time talk us about our community finally approaching themselves, depending on mutual desires and the way both projects shall take.
About Phase III Program I am trying to test in over an old PC but I am fighting against Linux and time.
I read this mail list each day and wish to collaborate in embassy projects between Wikipedia and EL, you can write to me in English or Spanish at juanan@us.es.
Best regards,
juanan &8.)Juan Antonio Ruiz Rivas Centro de Formaci�n PAS Universidad de Sevilla tfno. 954487458 juanan@us.es
Hola a todos, saludos desde la Enciclopedia Libre.
Ante todo me gustar�a aclarar que el sentir general de la gente que trabaja en EL es de amistad y buena voluntad hacia el proyecto de Wikipedia en donde la mayor�a comenzamos, aunque algunos discrepemos con algunas cuestiones relativas a Wikipedia que ya han sido comentadas en otras ocasiones.
Hemos estado discutiendo y votando sobre la posibilidad de volver a Wikipedia tal como se plante� en
http://enciclopedia.us.es/wiki.phtml?title=Enciclopedia:Retorno_a_Wikipe
dia y finalmente nos hemos decidido a seguir aqu� de momento tal como estamos, sin descartar la idea de volver alg�n d�a a Wikipedia e intentando estrechar lazos en la medida de lo posible.
Creo que el tiempo dir� si finalmente nos acercamos o alejamos de Wikipedia, esto depender� del inter�s que pongamos las dos partes y del rumbo que tomen ambos proyectos.
En cuanto a la fase III del software estoy intentando hacer unas pruebas en un PC un poquillo viejo y a�n tengo alg�n problemilla con la instalaci�n del Linux.
Sigo normalmente las discusiones en esta lista y me gustar�a participar en el proyecto de embajadas que se est� poniendo en marcha, pod�is escribirme en ingl�s o en espa�ol a la direcci�n juanan@us.es.
Saludos a todos,
juanan &8.)Juan Antonio Ruiz Rivas Centro de Formaci�n PAS Universidad de Sevilla tfno. 954487458 juanan@us.es
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We get a lot of junk new pages that say:
"Put your text for the new page here. Hello" or "Put your text for the new page here. Er, I don't know" or "Put your text for the new page here. What does this do"
These, to me, don't seem to be vandalism -- rather, someone who doesn't yet know how a Wiki works has clicked a ghost link, is a little confused when faced with a form and instead of just closing their browser window they feel they must *do* something.
Could we make the text that appears in a new page form more helpful? eg:
"This article does not yet exist in Wikipedia. You can begin writing a new article here, or just close the browser window" etc etc.
This might prevent a few junk entries, and save on housekeeping time. :)
- tarquin
Hi tarquin, hi list!
Could we make the text that appears in a new page form more helpful?
eg:
"This article does not yet exist in Wikipedia. You can begin writing a new article here, or just close the browser window" etc etc.
This might prevent a few junk entries, and save on housekeeping time.
:)
I think this is a very good idea. We're getting more and more of these in the German Wp, too.
And also the number of copyright violations increases (like all other statistical numbers - there might me a relation ;-) So, someone (sorry, I forgot who) had the idea of placing the "Please don't ad copyrighted material ..." passage _above_ the [Save] button for not logged in users. I think this is also a good idea.
Kurt
"tarquin" skribis:
We get a lot of junk new pages that say:
[...]
Could we make the text that appears in a new page form more helpful? eg:
"This article does not yet exist in Wikipedia. You can begin writing a new article here, or just close the browser window" etc etc.
IMHO better than "close the browser window" would be
... use the back-function of your browser or click on "Cancel".
Paul
(in the terminology of the forum board, *BUMP*!!!)
Paul Ebermann wrote:
"tarquin" skribis:
Could we make the text that appears in a new page form more helpful? eg:
"This article does not yet exist in Wikipedia. You can begin writing a new article here, or just close the browser window" etc etc.
IMHO better than "close the browser window" would be
... use the back-function of your browser or click on "Cancel".
That would be better. My text was just an example to illustrate my idea.
(this list really has a problem with short-term memory -- we only seem to manage 3 or 4 "current" issues, and things get dropped off the agenda, such as the TeX [[math:]] markup idea.)
(this list really has a problem with short-term memory -- we only seem to manage 3 or 4 "current" issues, and things get dropped off the agenda, such as the TeX [[math:]] markup idea.)
And the easy table markup ... Or did I miss something?
Do we need more programmers? Or is it that the concepts aren't ready for implementation?
Kurt
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 01:28:49AM +0200, Kurt Jansson wrote:
(this list really has a problem with short-term memory -- we only seem to manage 3 or 4 "current" issues, and things get dropped off the agenda, such as the TeX [[math:]] markup idea.)
And the easy table markup ... Or did I miss something?
Do we need more programmers? Or is it that the concepts aren't ready for implementation?
During the last week or two, it seemed like "stability" being the primary subject the programmers were working on. New features shouldn't be added to an unstable system.
Regarding tables: No consens was made on any kind of markup. Lee announced to provide some kind of markup roadmap, but I didn't see anything like it.
The TeX-code (aka [[math:]]) I did not submit to Lee because I've been waiting for his roadmap.
Regards,
JeLuF
--- tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com wrote:
(this list really has a problem with short-term memory -- we only seem to manage 3 or 4 "current" issues, and things get dropped off the agenda, such as the TeX [[math:]] markup idea.)
The problem is the traffic. I don't have two hours a day to follow every issue that comes up.
What we need is to encourage the habbit of bringing up an issue on the mailing list, then taking the detailed conversation to meta.wikipedia.org or an appropriate talk page in the pedia. That way, people's inboxs don't have to explode whenever there's a hot topic.
Stephen G.
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On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 22:24, Stephen Gilbert wrote:
--- tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com wrote:
(this list really has a problem with short-term memory -- we only seem to manage 3 or 4 "current" issues, and things get dropped off the agenda, such as the TeX [[math:]] markup idea.)
The problem is the traffic. I don't have two hours a day to follow every issue that comes up.
What we need is to encourage the habbit of bringing up an issue on the mailing list, then taking the detailed conversation to meta.wikipedia.org or an appropriate talk page in the pedia. That way, people's inboxs don't have to explode whenever there's a hot topic.
What we actually need to do is go to a BBS-style system like Yahoo Groups (that can also be accessed as a mailing list) that ideally would be integrated with meta.
Short-term, we can encourage non-technological solutions.
Stephen Gilbert wrote:
--- tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com wrote:
(this list really has a problem with short-term memory -- we only seem to manage 3 or 4 "current" issues, and things get dropped off the agenda, such as the TeX [[math:]] markup idea.)
The problem is the traffic. I don't have two hours a day to follow every issue that comes up.
What we need is to encourage the habbit of bringing up an issue on the mailing list, then taking the detailed conversation to meta.wikipedia.org or an appropriate talk page in the pedia. That way, people's inboxs don't have to explode whenever there's a hot topic.
With that in mind, I have started a short list of "current issues" on Meta's main page. I also plan to shunt off all the old stuff (establishing the principles of NPOV, 24, etc) to archive pages.
I have compiled what I could find on math markup here: http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_Markup
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