It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like the "China" problem turing into the "UK" problem. I hope that the UK would stop this so everyone can go on with their lives on wikipedia.
Techman224
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:47 PM, techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca wrote:
It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like
They're not. Its a technical problem that will no doubt be solved.
Maury
2008/12/7 Maury Markowitz maury.markowitz@gmail.com:
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:47 PM, techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca wrote:
It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like
They're not. Its a technical problem that will no doubt be solved.
A load of ISPs blocking a page that contains a (IMO decent) nude picture of a young girl (and in one case displaying a notice about child pornography in its place) is a not censorship but a technical problem? I'm not buying it... it seems pretty intentional to me... (The whole transparent proxies meaning our blocks of vandals have massive collateral damage thing is a technical problem, but that's not really the issue.)
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
2008/12/7 Maury Markowitz maury.markowitz@gmail.com:
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:47 PM, techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca wrote:
It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like
They're not. Its a technical problem that will no doubt be solved.
A load of ISPs blocking a page that contains a (IMO decent) nude picture of a young girl (and in one case displaying a notice about child pornography in its place) is a not censorship but a technical problem? I'm not buying it... it seems pretty intentional to me... (The whole transparent proxies meaning our blocks of vandals have massive collateral damage thing is a technical problem, but that's not really the issue.)
Some ISP of folks have talked to the IWF. The block was made intentionally, and it was made in awareness of other copies of the image on the internet. The IWF opted to take a "more pragmatic approach" to other URLs showing the image. (Perhaps they reasoned that other people would be more likely to sue them into oblivion). This may also explain why the entire Wikipedia article was blocked rather than just the image itself.
On 7-Dec-08, at 11:47 AM, techman224 wrote:
It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like the "China" problem turing into the "UK" problem. I hope that the UK would stop this so everyone can go on with their lives on wikipedia.
Techman224
Well, if they enable XFF headers on there proxy servers, that will be ok, but I heard that some ISP's are blocking Wikipedia altogether.
Techman224
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Well, if they enable XFF headers on there proxy servers, that will be ok, but I heard that some ISP's are blocking Wikipedia altogether.
Heard where? That's new to me. XFF headers would be very useful, but they are irrelevant to the censorship issue.
Nor the performance issue: Yesterday I was attempting to scan all enwp articles to see what else was blocked but found that around 1-3% of the requests were just randomly failing. Some of these proxies are already overloaded, come monday it may be especially painful. (Weekend is low traffic for enwp)
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:35 PM, techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca wrote:
"Wikinews has also learned that some ISPs have blocked customers from accessing some Wikimedia websites including the free, online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, altogether." Yes there is.
That wikinews article has several glaring inaccuracies and completely unsourced statements which which the Wikinews admins refuse to correct. I wouldn't consider it too credible. You should go ask them for a citation more substantial that "wikinews has learned". The same people who wrote that article are going around spreading links to these stupid claims about Erik Moller, to me it sounds like they have a little axe to grind.
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:35 PM, techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca wrote:
"Wikinews has also learned that some ISPs have blocked customers from accessing some Wikimedia websites including the free, online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, altogether." Yes there is.
That wikinews article has several glaring inaccuracies and completely unsourced statements which which the Wikinews admins refuse to correct. I wouldn't consider it too credible. You should go ask them for a citation more substantial that "wikinews has learned". The same people who wrote that article are going around spreading links to these stupid claims about Erik Moller, to me it sounds like they have a little axe to grind.
In the same edit as that sentence was added a source was added, a comments page of reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/7htwi/uk_isps_filtering_access_t...). I can't see any comments there saying someone can't access the whole site, though, and it doesn't seem to be a very reliable source.
(resend this, as accidentally went offlist)
2008/12/7 Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Well, if they enable XFF headers on there proxy servers, that will be ok, but I heard that some ISP's are blocking Wikipedia altogether.
Heard where? That's new to me. XFF headers would be very useful, but they are irrelevant to the censorship issue.
Nor the performance issue: Yesterday I was attempting to scan all enwp articles to see what else was blocked but found that around 1-3% of the requests were just randomly failing. Some of these proxies are already overloaded, come monday it may be especially painful. (Weekend is low traffic for enwp)
Mmm. I suspect this is the problem - people getting (unintentional) failures report everything's blocked. Which is sort of is by effect, but not by intent...
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:35 PM, techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca wrote:
"Wikinews has also learned that some ISPs have blocked customers from accessing some Wikimedia websites including the free, online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, altogether." Yes there is.
That wikinews article has several glaring inaccuracies and completely unsourced statements which which the Wikinews admins refuse to correct. I wouldn't consider it too credible. You should go ask them for a citation more substantial that "wikinews has learned".
I've left a note on the talkpage asking for expansion of the remark.
2008/12/7 techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca:
On 7-Dec-08, at 11:47 AM, techman224 wrote:
It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like the "China" problem turing into the "UK" problem. I hope that the UK would stop this so everyone can go on with their lives on wikipedia.
Well, if they enable XFF headers on there proxy servers, that will be ok, but I heard that some ISP's are blocking Wikipedia altogether.
I think you may have been misinformed - there haven't been any cases of access to Wikipedia generally being blocked, rather than access to a specific page, that we're aware of.
(And it's not "the UK"; it's some UK ISPs. It's not a governmental move, nor is it a comprehensive one...)
On 7-Dec-08, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
2008/12/7 techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca:
On 7-Dec-08, at 11:47 AM, techman224 wrote:
It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like the "China" problem turing into the "UK" problem. I hope that the UK would stop this so everyone can go on with their lives on wikipedia.
Well, if they enable XFF headers on there proxy servers, that will be ok, but I heard that some ISP's are blocking Wikipedia altogether.
I think you may have been misinformed - there haven't been any cases of access to Wikipedia generally being blocked, rather than access to a specific page, that we're aware of.
(And it's not "the UK"; it's some UK ISPs. It's not a governmental move, nor is it a comprehensive one...)
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"Wikinews has also learned that some ISPs have blocked customers from accessing some Wikimedia websites including the free, online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, altogether."
Yes there is.
Techman224
On 7-Dec-08, at 1:28 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
2008/12/7 techman224 techman224@yahoo.ca:
On 7-Dec-08, at 11:47 AM, techman224 wrote:
It's too bad the UK is censoring Wikipedia. I'm just shocked to see an English Country that's fully developed to censor Wikipedia. It is like the "China" problem turing into the "UK" problem. I hope that the UK would stop this so everyone can go on with their lives on wikipedia.
Well, if they enable XFF headers on there proxy servers, that will be ok, but I heard that some ISP's are blocking Wikipedia altogether.
I think you may have been misinformed - there haven't been any cases of access to Wikipedia generally being blocked, rather than access to a specific page, that we're aware of.
(And it's not "the UK"; it's some UK ISPs. It's not a governmental move, nor is it a comprehensive one...)
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I mean that that some articles are blocked altogether.
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