Hello,
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Thanks, and by
Raù.
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I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
Timwi
2005/11/13, Timwi timwi@gmx.net:
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
When I read [[en:Andalusian Spanish]], I also see as an issue that there is no single Andalusian dialect, but that there are a number of dialects, which have large differences as well as a number of similarities which set them apart from other Spanish languages and dialects.
-- Andre Engels, andreengels@gmail.com ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels
Right.
Andalusian is not a dialect, there are a lot of dialects in Andalusia, but all of those dialects that are spoken in Andalusia, are a linguistic unit.
Every body that are not from Andalusia, but from Spain, cannot realized the differencies between two diferent persons from Andalusia that speaks different dialects from that unit that we call andalusian, but they realize, that those speakers are from Andalusia, and they hava problems to understand what the andalusians say. But the andalusian can understand another andalusians, and all of them consider they speak the same thing.
Andalusian is a language composed of many dialects, as every language in the world.
Bye
From: Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com Reply-To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: New Language Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:00:33 +0100
2005/11/13, Timwi timwi@gmx.net:
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
When I read [[en:Andalusian Spanish]], I also see as an issue that there is no single Andalusian dialect, but that there are a number of dialects, which have large differences as well as a number of similarities which set them apart from other Spanish languages and dialects.
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Andre Engels wrote:
2005/11/13, Timwi timwi@gmx.net:
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
When I read [[en:Andalusian Spanish]], I also see as an issue that there is no single Andalusian dialect, but that there are a number of dialects, which have large differences as well as a number of similarities which set them apart from other Spanish languages and dialects.
That argument would similarly apply to Allemanian (als), Low Saxon (nds), Ripuarian (no Wikipedia yet), and perhaps also Scots (sco). Yet they appear to have developed a unified orthography for themselves. I haven't looked at them enough to figure out whether their spellings and grammars are actually internally consistent, although it seems at least Scots (sco) follows some sort of semi-official language authority.
Although Andalusian has no single unified orthography, most people write it using normal Spanish spelling, with only a few points of contention.
The main one is how to write the "h" sound corresponding to Castillian "s"-- should it be "idiomah", or "idiomà"? "andaluh" or "andalù"? It seems to have been solved quite nicely here by just writing "andalùh".
There are a handful of crazy people who invented a new orthography for Andalus. You may ignore them entirely.
Mark
On 13/11/05, Timwi timwi@gmx.net wrote:
Andre Engels wrote:
2005/11/13, Timwi timwi@gmx.net:
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
When I read [[en:Andalusian Spanish]], I also see as an issue that there is no single Andalusian dialect, but that there are a number of dialects, which have large differences as well as a number of similarities which set them apart from other Spanish languages and dialects.
That argument would similarly apply to Allemanian (als), Low Saxon (nds), Ripuarian (no Wikipedia yet), and perhaps also Scots (sco). Yet they appear to have developed a unified orthography for themselves. I haven't looked at them enough to figure out whether their spellings and grammars are actually internally consistent, although it seems at least Scots (sco) follows some sort of semi-official language authority.
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The reason why it is so difficult to say how to write the "h" is because this letter is phonologically too alive.
"u" is a closed "u", "ü" is an opend "u", "ú" is an accentuated closed "u", and "`u" is an accentuated opened "u".
In the world Andalùh, that "u" is opened and accentuated, that is the reason to write "ù". The problem with that "h" in Andalùh is that it doesnt hava to be spoken if "Andalùh" is the last word of the sentence containing it. But if Andalùh is not the last world of the sentence containing it, it has to be spoken.
As you can see, there are some phonologically problems with andalusian, because phonologically is Andalusian very difficult. But the orthography in andalusian will not be a problem.
Ciao.
<BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'><font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'><hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1> From: <i>Mark Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com></i><br>Reply-To: <i>wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org</i><br>To: <i>wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org</i><br>Subject: <i>Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: New Language</i><br>Date: <i>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:26:20 -0700</i><br>>Although Andalusian has no single unified orthography, most people<br>>write it using normal Spanish spelling, with only a few points of<br>>contention.<br>><br>>The main one is how to write the "h" sound corresponding to Castillian<br>>"s"-- should it be "idiomah", or "idiomà"? "andaluh" or "andalù"? It<br>>seems to have been solved quite nicely here by just writing "andalùh".<br>><br>>There are a handful of crazy people who invented a new orthography for<br>>Andalus. You may ignore them entirely.<br>><br>>Mark<br>><br>>On 13/11/05, Timwi <timwi@gmx.net> wrote:<br>> > Andre Engels wrote:<br>> > > 2005/11/13, Timwi <timwi@gmx.net>:<br>> > ><br>> > >>>I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not<br>> > >>>appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation<br>> > >>>here.<br>> > >>><br>> > >>>Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name<br>> > >>>is Andalùh.<br>> > >><br>> > >>Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's<br>> > >>14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it<br>> > >>and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.<br>> > >><br>> > >>Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is<br>> > >>less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian<br>> > >>is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian<br>> > >>Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia,<br>> > >>Andalusian is effectively Spanish.<br>> > ><br>> > > When I read [[en:Andalusian Spanish]], I also see as an issue that<br>> > > there is no single Andalusian dialect, but that there are a number of<br>> > > dialects, which have large differences as well as a number of<br>> > > similarities which set them apart from other Spanish languages and<br>> > > dialects.<br>> ><br>> > That argument would similarly apply to Allemanian (als), Low Saxon<br>> > (nds), Ripuarian (no Wikipedia yet), and perhaps also Scots (sco). Yet<br>> > they appear to have developed a unified orthography for themselves. I<br>> > haven't looked at them enough to figure out whether their spellings and<br>> > grammars are actually internally consistent, although it seems at least<br>> > Scots (sco) follows some sort of semi-official language authority.<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Wikipedia-l mailing list<br>> > Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org<br>> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l<br>> ><br>><br>><br>>--<br>>"Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin<br>>_______________________________________________<br>>Wikipedia-l mailing list<br>>Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org<br>>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l<br></font></BLOCKQUOTE>
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hello,
I am from Andalusia, and I do not think like that, there are a lot of people in Andalusia that not think like that, and not just in Andalusia. Andalusian is for me and not just for me an other language. There are a lot of pages in Internet where it will be discussed about the grammar and orthography of andalusian.
Anyway, I did not wanted to discuss about this. I just wanted to know how to get start a wikipedia in Andalusian, I think it has to be requested, and then it wil be discussed if it is really necessary to create it.
Otherway, there are a lot of languages that are oficcially dialects from another languages, and they have a wiki (asturianu, aragones, sicilianu, murciano, alemmanisch, plattdüütsch, etc...) I sure Andalusian is the most spoken language between those.
And Aragonese or Asturian are not more different from castilian as andalusian, they were it in the past, but not today.
Well, I wanted to ask how can I get started its creation, it will be discussed if a wiki in andalusian is necessary, but first of all it has to be started, and that is the reason why i write here, to get help.
thanks.
From: Timwi timwi@gmx.net Reply-To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: New Language Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:41:35 +0000
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
Timwi
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See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
Sam
On 11/13/05, raul otjes rautjes@hotmail.com wrote:
hello,
I am from Andalusia, and I do not think like that, there are a lot of people in Andalusia that not think like that, and not just in Andalusia. Andalusian is for me and not just for me an other language. There are a lot of pages in Internet where it will be discussed about the grammar and orthography of andalusian.
Anyway, I did not wanted to discuss about this. I just wanted to know how to get start a wikipedia in Andalusian, I think it has to be requested, and then it wil be discussed if it is really necessary to create it.
Otherway, there are a lot of languages that are oficcially dialects from another languages, and they have a wiki (asturianu, aragones, sicilianu, murciano, alemmanisch, plattdüütsch, etc...) I sure Andalusian is the most spoken language between those.
And Aragonese or Asturian are not more different from castilian as andalusian, they were it in the past, but not today.
Well, I wanted to ask how can I get started its creation, it will be discussed if a wiki in andalusian is necessary, but first of all it has to be started, and that is the reason why i write here, to get help.
thanks.
From: Timwi timwi@gmx.net Reply-To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: New Language Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:41:35 +0000
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
Timwi
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Hoaxes aside, many people do consider Andalus to be a separate language, and there are thousands of references on the internet to "idioma andaluh", "idioma andalu", "idioma andaluz", etc. etc.
Anticipating such a request, I started an Andaluz Test-WP before it was even requested... hah.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/and/
Cheers, Mark
On 13/11/05, Timwi timwi@gmx.net wrote:
I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation here.
Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name is Andalùh.
Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.
Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia, Andalusian is effectively Spanish.
Timwi
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Hi Mark,
thank you, it is good to see that people understand what we thing.
Did you really did that test-wp? I woder.
Why can you write andalusian? how did you learned it? Im just curious.
Ok, Rautjes and I, we are trying to start a wiki in andalusian, it is so difficult, if anyone have done it already and has a few tipps, you know.......
Ciao, and thanks
<BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'><font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'><hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1> From: <i>Mark Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com></i><br>Reply-To: <i>wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org</i><br>To: <i>wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org</i><br>Subject: <i>Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: New Language</i><br>Date: <i>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:09:07 -0700</i><br>>Hoaxes aside, many people do consider Andalus to be a separate<br>>language, and there are thousands of references on the internet to<br>>"idioma andaluh", "idioma andalu", "idioma andaluz", etc. etc.<br>><br>>Anticipating such a request, I started an Andaluz Test-WP before it<br>>was even requested... hah.<br>><br>>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/and/<br>><br>>Cheers,<br>>Mark<br>><br>>On 13/11/05, Timwi <timwi@gmx.net> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not<br>> > > appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation<br>> > > here.<br>> > ><br>> > > Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name<br>> > > is Andalùh.<br>> ><br>> > Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's<br>> > 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it<br>> > and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.<br>> ><br>> > Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is<br>> > less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian<br>> > is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian<br>> > Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia,<br>> > Andalusian is effectively Spanish.<br>> ><br>> > Timwi<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Wikipedia-l mailing list<br>> > Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org<br>> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l<br>> ><br>><br>><br>>--<br>>"Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin<br>>_______________________________________________<br>>Wikipedia-l mailing list<br>>Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org<br>>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l<br></font></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Hi again, Mark.
I would like to know if you let me to make a link to the test-wp in andalusian, from the page where are tryng to request it. It would be very nice if you agree.
Ciao.
<BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'><font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'><hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1> From: <i>Mark Williamson <node.ue@gmail.com></i><br>Reply-To: <i>wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org</i><br>To: <i>wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org</i><br>Subject: <i>Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: New Language</i><br>Date: <i>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:09:07 -0700</i><br>>Hoaxes aside, many people do consider Andalus to be a separate<br>>language, and there are thousands of references on the internet to<br>>"idioma andaluh", "idioma andalu", "idioma andaluz", etc. etc.<br>><br>>Anticipating such a request, I started an Andaluz Test-WP before it<br>>was even requested... hah.<br>><br>>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/and/<br>><br>>Cheers,<br>>Mark<br>><br>>On 13/11/05, Timwi <timwi@gmx.net> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not<br>> > > appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its creation<br>> > > here.<br>> > ><br>> > > Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional name<br>> > > is Andalùh.<br>> ><br>> > Andalusian is a dialect of Spanish. As far as I can see, Ethnologue's<br>> > 14th edition had an entry on it, while the 15th edition has removed it<br>> > and demoted it to the status of Spanish dialect.<br>> ><br>> > Ethnologue also states (in the entry about Asturian) that Andalusian is<br>> > less different from Spanish than Asturian; keeping in mind that Asturian<br>> > is already quite close (although we do have a separate Asturian<br>> > Wikipedia at ast), it would seem that for the purposes of Wikimedia,<br>> > Andalusian is effectively Spanish.<br>> ><br>> > Timwi<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Wikipedia-l mailing list<br>> > Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org<br>> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l<br>> ><br>><br>><br>>--<br>>"Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin<br>>_______________________________________________<br>>Wikipedia-l mailing list<br>>Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org<br>>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l<br></font></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Hi,
I also would like to participate in a project to create a Wikipedia in Andalusian. But I have never created a Wikipedia, so I also dont know how to make it. Perhaps somebody knows it.
Ciao.
<BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'><font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'><hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1> From: <i>"raul otjes" <rautjes@hotmail.com></i><br>Reply-To: <i>wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org</i><br>To: <i>wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org</i><br>Subject: <i>[Wikipedia-l] New Language</i><br>Date: <i>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:25:12 +0100</i><br>>Hello,<br>><br>>I would like to create a new wikipedia in my language, but it do not <br>>appear in the language-list, so I think I have to ask for its <br>>creation here.<br>><br>>Andalusian is the name of that language in Englisch, its regional <br>>name is Andalùh.<br>><br>>Thanks, and by<br>><br>>Raù.<br>><br>>_________________________________________________________________<br>>MSN Amor: busca tu ½ naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/<br>><br>>_______________________________________________<br>>Wikipedia-l mailing list<br>>Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org<br>>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l<br></font></BLOCKQUOTE>
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