Walter Vermeir a écrit:
Hello,
I want to know why the address
http://www.wikipedia.org redirects
automatically to http://en.wikipedia.org... Is
Wikipedia an english
project with translations, or is it a real
international project?
I asked myself that same question many years ago. I
think I posted the
first question about this on some wikipedia list at
the end of 2001.
Always a lot of objections. It would break links,
English is the lingo
franca of the internet. At the time of the change
from wikipedia.com to
wikipedia.org used to a opportunity to do it but it
has not be done.
Wikipedia is a international project. But only the
English may use the
front entrance.
I was among those who objected more than 2 years ago. I believe most of the objections raised at that time do not make any more sense. A lot was written on the mailing list, and some discussion may be found here : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_to_do_with_www.wikipedia.org.
I do not think there were be links broken now. We switch the adress more than 2 years ago, the encyclopedia is so much bigger now, and we had truely become international (which was not true 3 years ago at all).
It is high time we finally get a portal page.
There were other solutions mentionned 2 years and a half ago, but I think portal is the solution chosen for all our projects, so best to stick with it probably.
However, it might be nice to try to do something good looking and not necessarily wiki (we do not need the left menu for example).
I suggest that some people try to come up with some good designs and that we get done with this. For example, this might be a conceptual proposition (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_to_do_with_www.wikipedia.org-mav%27s_Pro...) but it could need a graphist to polish it.
I hope someone come up with a good idea :-)
Could someone set up a contest page, where we could add considerations to respect and where wikipedians could link their proposal ?
Anthere
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Anthere schrieb:
I suggest that some people try to come up with some good designs and that we get done with this. For example, this might be a conceptual proposition (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_to_do_with_www.wikipedia.org-mav%27s_Pro...) but it could need a graphist to polish it.
I once had a demo site (somewhere...) that would display all languages like the above page, *but* highlight the language(s) from the HTTP language settings. So, for me, en and de would be highlighted, but all would be displayed. Makes it easier to find what you're likely to look for, but still possible to find everything you want.
Magnus
I once had a demo site (somewhere...) that would display all languages like the above page, *but* highlight the language(s) from the HTTP language settings. So, for me, en and de would be highlighted, but all would be displayed. Makes it easier to find what you're likely to look for, but still possible to find everything you want.
Magnus
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
Jack Lutz ha scritto:
I once had a demo site (somewhere...) that would display all languages like the above page, *but* highlight the language(s) from the HTTP language settings. So, for me, en and de would be highlighted, but all would be displayed. Makes it easier to find what you're likely to look for, but still possible to find everything you want.
Magnus
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
I'd like the Magnus' solution: I don't like to be automatically redirected to the Italian subdomain, because I'm working (even if only occasionally) on the Swahili one, and I'm interested to the Esperanto version, too. So according to the Magnus' idea I would have the IT (my HTTP setting) highlighted, but with the other languages at hand.
Ciao, Nino
I'd like the Magnus' solution: I don't like to be automatically redirected to the Italian subdomain, because I'm working (even if only occasionally) on the Swahili one, and I'm interested to the Esperanto version, too. So according to the Magnus' idea I would have the IT (my HTTP setting) highlighted, but with the other languages at hand.
This is not a great problem. One could have in preferences the best wiki for him/her. Note i don't say that the jack's solution is better than the magnus' one. But the option for select the first wiki should exist for any solution adopted by wikipedia (since maybe active users could prefer enter direct into wiki without passing by portal).
-Riba.
Jack Lutz wrote:
I once had a demo site (somewhere...) that would display all languages like the above page, *but* highlight the language(s) from the HTTP language settings. So, for me, en and de would be highlighted, but all would be displayed. Makes it easier to find what you're likely to look for, but still possible to find everything you want.
Magnus
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
It is, but Magnus's idea is much better for usability. The problem with redirecting based on these is that it's completely annoying for various reasons. :-)
--Jimbo
On Friday 07 January 2005 12:05, Jack Lutz wrote:
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
This would be a usability crime.
NSK a écrit:
On Friday 07 January 2005 12:05, Jack Lutz wrote:
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
This would be a usability crime.
Perhaps not so bad :-)
Actually, since Jimbo mentionned that, google does not forced you to be redirected to your language.
If I launch google, I get the french version by default, www.google.fr but if I change the link on top, a couple of time perhaps ? my default launching is english, with a direct link to the french page.
If I click on the french page again, I will get by default the french page.
Anthere
On Friday 07 January 2005 20:25, Anthere wrote:
If I launch google, I get the french version by default, www.google.fr but if I change the link on top, a couple of time perhaps ? my default launching is english, with a direct link to the french page.
If I click on the french page again, I will get by default the french page.
it uses cookies to save this preference but I never save cookies. I have configured my system to delete cookies automatically upon exit.
Jack Lutz a écrit:
I once had a demo site (somewhere...) that would display all languages like the above page, *but* highlight the language(s) from the HTTP language settings. So, for me, en and de would be highlighted, but all would be displayed. Makes it easier to find what you're likely to look for, but still possible to find everything you want.
Magnus
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
Not really actually.
Many editors appropriate languages are multiple.
Ant
In addition, there is the fact that a user might have French set as his auto-accept language but prefers to use the Occitan Wikipedia, or Dutch as his auto-accept language but prefers to use the Frisian Wikipedia... etc.
Mark
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:20:58 +0100, Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Jack Lutz a écrit:
I once had a demo site (somewhere...) that would display all languages like the above page, *but* highlight the language(s) from the HTTP language settings. So, for me, en and de would be highlighted, but all would be displayed. Makes it easier to find what you're likely to look for, but still possible to find everything you want.
Magnus
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
Not really actually.
Many editors appropriate languages are multiple.
Ant
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On 7 Jan 2005, at 19:20, Anthere wrote:
Regarding language settings, isn't it possible to have a portal automatically redirect to the appropriate language subdomain based on these?
Not really actually.
Many editors appropriate languages are multiple.
Excellent point, strongly seconded.
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
PS: Besides: Anything to defeat automagic''osis'' (which is a creepy disease genetically engineered and spread by the Illuminati in order to strip away all human potential for choice. ;-)
Ok lads (and lasses).
I've now given the current portal page at http://www.wikipedia.org/ a couple'a fancy clickable flags.
I DO NOT mean to forestall any work Magnus might be doing (was not really aware of that at the time I did the flag stuff as I found it ''so'' interesting, I didn't even check my email. At any rate, it seems that Magnus' work so far has been more of a technical nature -- maybe things can sort of be fused?
I've explained what I've done on the talk page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk: Www.wikipedia.org_portal#Redesign_with_flags
(If there is another way than the fairly roundabout way I've chosen to get these flags to be clickable links (w/o actual HTML access), then please tell me.)
I'm currently thinking about further improvements, e.g. giving the 10 000 - 50 000 WPs 20x30 pixel inline image flags as well, but on the other hand I'm a bit weary about putting any more work in considering that an overhaul of the current (provisional?) portal page seems to be on the horizon. (Markus? Any comment from you there?) I would hate to do lots of stuff and see it all end up in the dustbin. But prolly this depends on community consensus as well... Please discuss, I don't want to be doing stuff that nobody wants. Are the flags a good idea? Are we moving the right way, etc., etc.
NB: Can some admin read that and delete some of the images as mentioned there? Thanks.
((Again -- everybody: the Wikipedia home page can --currently, at least-- be edited at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_portal Har har! It is such a TRIP to be editing Wikipedia's home page. I am a SUCH power-hungry gobshite, I'll tell yer.))
Thanks and regards,
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
This is an idea for making an icon for "Complete list of languages". I may do this myself if people like it and if no one else does it (and IF I get around to it/can be arsed):
- select a bunch of Wikipedias at random from the Complete list of languages. - look up flags corresponding to each laguage (Drop from the list any Wikipedias selected where there isn't an unambiguous flag.) - make small 30x20 inline image size pictures from the flags - arrange these pictures in random order on a line with an ellipsis at the end (signifying "there's more")
This should look like this
[X] [X] [X] [X] [X] [X] [X] [X] ...
I reckon something along these lines would make a pretty good and unambiguous image to use on http://www.wikipedia.org instead of the English phrase "Complete list of languages".
Comments?
Someone has now removed all the flags (without explanatory comment). Anthere has left a message in talk, making the point that flags represent countries, not languages. I've replied on talk (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikipedia.org_portal#Flags):
Quite true, however for most (if not all) languages, there is a flag that is commonly understood to symbolize the language as well (depending on context). No other symbols exist that so clearly and graphically identify the respective languages. And I thing it having the instant visual indentification that you can get with images is worthwhile. That said, someone has removed the flags now (without explanatory comment) and I'm taking my time about reverting, because I believe community consensus will decide this one.
So what do people think? Is it just me to find the version with flags ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? title=Www.wikipedia.org_portal&oldid=88465 should give you a vague idea) more appealing?
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
On 9 Jan 2005, at 04:14, Jens Ropers wrote:
Ok lads (and lasses).
I've now given the current portal page at http://www.wikipedia.org/ a couple'a fancy clickable flags.
I DO NOT mean to forestall any work Magnus might be doing (was not really aware of that at the time I did the flag stuff as I found it ''so'' interesting, I didn't even check my email. At any rate, it seems that Magnus' work so far has been more of a technical nature -- maybe things can sort of be fused?
I've explained what I've done on the talk page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk: Www.wikipedia.org_portal#Redesign_with_flags
(If there is another way than the fairly roundabout way I've chosen to get these flags to be clickable links (w/o actual HTML access), then please tell me.)
I'm currently thinking about further improvements, e.g. giving the 10 000 - 50 000 WPs 20x30 pixel inline image flags as well, but on the other hand I'm a bit weary about putting any more work in considering that an overhaul of the current (provisional?) portal page seems to be on the horizon. (Markus? Any comment from you there?) I would hate to do lots of stuff and see it all end up in the dustbin. But prolly this depends on community consensus as well... Please discuss, I don't want to be doing stuff that nobody wants. Are the flags a good idea? Are we moving the right way, etc., etc.
NB: Can some admin read that and delete some of the images as mentioned there? Thanks.
((Again -- everybody: the Wikipedia home page can --currently, at least-- be edited at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_portal Har har! It is such a TRIP to be editing Wikipedia's home page. I am a SUCH power-hungry gobshite, I'll tell yer.))
Thanks and regards,
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
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d/thing it/
On 9 Jan 2005, at 05:27, Jens Ropers wrote:
Someone has now removed all the flags (without explanatory comment). Anthere has left a message in talk, making the point that flags represent countries, not languages. I've replied on talk (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikipedia.org_portal#Flags):
Quite true, however for most (if not all) languages, there is a flag that is commonly understood to symbolize the language as well (depending on context). No other symbols exist that so clearly and graphically identify the respective languages. And I
think having the instant visual indentification that you can get with images is worthwhile. That said, someone has removed the flags now (without explanatory comment) and I'm taking my time about reverting, because I believe community consensus will decide this one.
So what do people think? Is it just me to find the version with flags ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? title=Www.wikipedia.org_portal&oldid=88465 should give you a vague idea) more appealing?
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
On Sunday 09 January 2005 06:27, Jens Ropers wrote:
Quite true, however for most (if not all) languages, there is a flag that is commonly understood to symbolize the language as well (depending on context).
Using flags to represent languages is stupid and discriminatory.
No other symbols exist that so clearly and graphically identify the respective languages. And I thing it having
Language maps.
NSK stated for the record:
On Sunday 09 January 2005 06:27, Jens Ropers wrote:
No other symbols exist that so clearly and graphically identify the respective languages. And I thing it having
Language maps.
What language do I get if I click on Switzerland? Where do I click to get Esperanto?
On Sunday 09 January 2005 08:34, Sean Barrett wrote:
What language do I get if I click on Switzerland?
It depends on which part of Switzerland you click.
Where do I click to get Esperanto?
Esperanto could be represented by a world map with green points on the places where Esperanto conventions held. There can be a larger green point on the birthplace of Esperanto founder, along with a small picture of his face. An Esperanto flag can also be included near the picture, if all Esperantists can recognise their flag.
And, by the way, I am about to learn Esperanto soon!
NSK a écrit:
On Sunday 09 January 2005 06:27, Jens Ropers wrote:
Quite true, however for most (if not all) languages, there is a flag that is commonly understood to symbolize the language as well (depending on context).
Using flags to represent languages is stupid and discriminatory.
Now... whatever your opinion NSK, please respect Jens work. He took time to set these flags, many websites use such a mean, and it has the merit of being visual, so easier to navigate. I wish that no flame war begins over the topic, so choose your words more carefully.
PLEASE
Anthere
On 9 Jan 2005, at 08:24, Anthere wrote:
Now... whatever your opinion NSK, please respect Jens work. He took time to set these flags, many websites use such a mean, and it has the merit of being visual, so easier to navigate. I wish that no flame war begins over the topic, so choose your words more carefully.
Thanks :)
And while you may disagree with my proposal, I'd still like to bolster the case for flags and add that images are easier click targets. Try a speed test -- from loading http://www.wikipedia.org , how long does it take to click on Japanese? Then try http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? title=Www.wikipedia.org_portal&oldid=88466 , how long does it take you there? (I would have offered Hebrew, but the metric's horribly biased, because there's only one inline flag -- added just before the reverting started.)
I still think flags/images are a generally preferable solution. Yes, there would be fights over, say, Chinese and the flag of the PR of China. Or over English and using a US flag. But I think the entire Wikipedia concept shows that risking it, doing it anyway and letting the wiki process do its magic can solve these issues -- and it's better than having a dull text-only page forever.
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
On Jan 9, 2005, at 2:46 AM, Jens Ropers wrote:
I still think flags/images are a generally preferable solution. Yes, there would be fights over, say, Chinese and the flag of the PR of China. Or over English and using a US flag. But I think the entire Wikipedia concept shows that risking it, doing it anyway and letting the wiki process do its magic can solve these issues -- and it's better than having a dull text-only page forever.
The great thing about open source is learning from others.
Check the PHP archives to see the flambe-fest about flags, language jumping, etc... they've been sorting this out for ages.
-Bop
Jens Ropers a écrit:
On 9 Jan 2005, at 08:24, Anthere wrote:
Now... whatever your opinion NSK, please respect Jens work. He took time to set these flags, many websites use such a mean, and it has the merit of being visual, so easier to navigate. I wish that no flame war begins over the topic, so choose your words more carefully.
Thanks :)
And while you may disagree with my proposal, I'd still like to bolster the case for flags and add that images are easier click targets. Try a speed test -- from loading http://www.wikipedia.org , how long does it take to click on Japanese? Then try http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? title=Www.wikipedia.org_portal&oldid=88466 , how long does it take you there? (I would have offered Hebrew, but the metric's horribly biased, because there's only one inline flag -- added just before the reverting started.)
I still think flags/images are a generally preferable solution. Yes, there would be fights over, say, Chinese and the flag of the PR of China. Or over English and using a US flag. But I think the entire Wikipedia concept shows that risking it, doing it anyway and letting the wiki process do its magic can solve these issues -- and it's better than having a dull text-only page forever.
-- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com
I agree it is easier. But most languages are spoken in several countries.
For example, it is quite difficult to convince outsider that the wikipedia in french is NOT the wikipedia france, but wikipedia francophone. I think this is relevant, because while french is spoken in France, while we have this academy trying to decide for us how french should be properly spoken, la francophonie is MUCH much bigger than just my country. And the countries where the language is spoken own the language just as we do. We are already an overbearing lot in the wikipedia, we should not do anything that might suggest we own this wikipedia in some way.
Look at this http://qatarfrancophonie.free.fr/cartfranc.html
And this is true for many other languages as well. We just can't ignore this and take the risk to imply there is a sort of national relationship between our projects and countries.
This is very important Jens. We are not nations. And flags are symbols of nations.
Anthere
On Sunday 09 January 2005 11:46, Jens Ropers wrote:
On 9 Jan 2005, at 08:24, Anthere wrote:
Now... whatever your opinion NSK, please respect Jens work. He took time to set these flags, many websites use such a mean, and it has the merit of being visual, so easier to navigate. I wish that no flame war begins over the topic, so choose your words more carefully.
Thanks :)
What I meant actually was "using flags to represent languages is ineffective and discriminatory" but I hit send a bit early, probably because I had little sleep as usual. Of course Jens work is respected.
See, as far as the flag issue goes, what can I say but "I told you so"? How's that for predicting the future? And before it even became an issue, I made my feelings well-known so I don't need to state them again (and since nobody had worked hard when I made my post, or even mentioned it, my use of "stupid" can't be considered offensive).
Mark
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:24:46 +0100, Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
NSK a écrit:
On Sunday 09 January 2005 06:27, Jens Ropers wrote:
Quite true, however for most (if not all) languages, there is a flag that is commonly understood to symbolize the language as well (depending on context).
Using flags to represent languages is stupid and discriminatory.
Now... whatever your opinion NSK, please respect Jens work. He took time to set these flags, many websites use such a mean, and it has the merit of being visual, so easier to navigate. I wish that no flame war begins over the topic, so choose your words more carefully.
PLEASE
Anthere
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Jens Ropers (ropers@ropersonline.com) [050109 15:28]:
So what do people think? Is it just me to find the version with flags ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php? title=Www.wikipedia.org_portal&oldid=88465 should give you a vague idea) more appealing?
I must admit, despite my strong reservations about flags, that layout really is *tremendously* more visually appealing. Very good!
- d.
Magnus Manske (magnus.manske@web.de) [050107 20:14]:
I once had a demo site (somewhere...) that would display all languages like the above page, *but* highlight the language(s) from the HTTP language settings. So, for me, en and de would be highlighted, but all would be displayed. Makes it easier to find what you're likely to look for, but still possible to find everything you want.
Excellent! Is that sort of setting standard for non-English browsers worldwide?
- d.
I followed Angela's suggestion on this and set up an editable portal at www.wikipedia.org. There are two associated pages on meta, a protected HTML template:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_template
And an unprotected wikitext body:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_portal
I've put up a temporary page there based on the language section of the English main page, please feel free to change it.
It seems to be slow to load at the moment, not sure why.
-- Tim Starling
Tim Starling (t.starling@physics.unimelb.edu.au) [050108 02:35]:
I followed Angela's suggestion on this and set up an editable portal at www.wikipedia.org. There are two associated pages on meta, a protected HTML template: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_template And an unprotected wikitext body: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_portal
Excellent start! I'm sure we can get fancy in short order ...
I've put up a temporary page there based on the language section of the English main page, please feel free to change it.
This should be the full language template (where is that?) - the version on [[en:Main Page]] is only the languages with over 1000 articles.
- d.
There is one version at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Wikipedialang/Proposal , but if you look in the history of the current Wikipedialang template there is another.
I don't think we should include the English names of languages in an /international/ portal.
I went to wikipedia.org, but it still redirects to en.wikipedia...
Mark
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 03:22:15 +1100, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
Tim Starling (t.starling@physics.unimelb.edu.au) [050108 02:35]:
I followed Angela's suggestion on this and set up an editable portal at www.wikipedia.org. There are two associated pages on meta, a protected HTML template: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_template And an unprotected wikitext body: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikipedia.org_portal
Excellent start! I'm sure we can get fancy in short order ...
I've put up a temporary page there based on the language section of the English main page, please feel free to change it.
This should be the full language template (where is that?) - the version on [[en:Main Page]] is only the languages with over 1000 articles.
- d.
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Mark Williamson a écrit:
There is one version at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Wikipedialang/Proposal , but if you look in the history of the current Wikipedialang template there is another.
I don't think we should include the English names of languages in an /international/ portal.
I second this.
Plus, I noticed there was no translation in English of the English language :-)
I went to wikipedia.org, but it still redirects to en.wikipedia...
Mark
???
Mark Williamson (node.ue@gmail.com) [050108 04:52]:
There is one version at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Wikipedialang/Proposal , but if you look in the history of the current Wikipedialang template there is another.
So put that on there!
I don't think we should include the English names of languages in an /international/ portal.
{{sofixit}} ;-)
I might fiddle with some ideas for the portal later. "About Wikipedia" links in the top several languages, that sort of thing. You know a lot more languages than me (more than one), you can go to town on this one I think.
- d.
Tim Starling a écrit:
I followed Angela's suggestion on this and set up an editable portal at www.wikipedia.org. There are two associated pages on meta, a protected HTML template:
Check your facts, it is more polite.
Anthere wrote:
Tim Starling a écrit:
I followed Angela's suggestion on this and set up an editable portal at www.wikipedia.org. There are two associated pages on meta, a protected HTML template:
Check your facts, it is more polite.
Sorry, a suggestion from Anthere that was relayed to me via Angela.
-- Tim Starling
Magnus Manske a écrit:
David Gerard schrieb:
Is that sort of setting standard for non-English browsers worldwide?
AFAIK, it is coupled to your OS interface language by default. Or, it should be. It can be changed within browser preferences.
Magnus
I like this proposition :-)
Anthere (anthere9@yahoo.com) [050107 17:10]:
I was among those who objected more than 2 years ago. I believe most of the objections raised at that time do not make any more sense. A lot was written on the mailing list, and some discussion may be found here : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/What_to_do_with_www.wikipedia.org. I do not think there were be links broken now. We switch the adress more than 2 years ago, the encyclopedia is so much bigger now, and we had truely become international (which was not true 3 years ago at all). It is high time we finally get a portal page.
I agree. The links that might be broken would be links to en: articles, so those should still be set to redirect; but the front page (http://www.wikipedia.org/ or http://wikipedia.org/) should be international.
Perhaps a list of languages, with the search box for that language next to it - to make it as useful as possible. Perhaps the Article of the Day for the biggest ones.
But that's just details. Th front page should be international.
- d.
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