Roger Luethi wrote:
However, short articles do get put up for deletion regularly based on that criterion.
The respective German guidelines are indeed written in a fairly similar spirit to the English ones. They don't seem to advocate the deletion of small stubs. But the folks who frequent [[de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten]] tend to have a different view.
Annoyingly, it's true that a few users at de: seem to do nothing else then filing requests for deletion. I don't ignore that fact. One even picked the user name "Löschantrag" (='request for deletion') but is on the verge of being blocked AFAIK. What I wanted to point out is that these outrages by no means reflect the spirit of the German WP. The community is aware of the "Löschwahn" a few people have fallen prey to and the way they can harm the project e. g. by daunting off newcomers writing their first article.
Btw, I have written about 80 stubs for de: (and expanded most of them to full-size articles by now!) and only got one rfd ever and that one was pretty well justified. My experience: as long as your stubs contain the very basic facts about the subject ("where?", "who?", "when?", "why?") they are 100% delete-o-maniac-proof.
Regards, Boris
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Annoyingly, it's true that a few users at de: seem to do nothing else then filing requests for deletion. I don't ignore that fact. One even picked the user name "Löschantrag" (='request for deletion') but is on the verge of being blocked AFAIK. What I wanted to point out is that these outrages by no means reflect the spirit of the German WP. The community is aware of the "Löschwahn" a few people have fallen prey to and the way they can harm the project e. g. by daunting off newcomers writing their first article.
Unfortunately at nl: a couple of the newer users are very fanatical when it comes to deleting as well. For us at nl: a new development and I find myself for the first time in my almost 2 years wikimedia contributing time to have to watch the page for articles put up for deletion :( Hope we can convince to do it another way.
Waerth/Walter
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:02:27 +0200, Boris Lohnzweiger wrote:
Annoyingly, it's true that a few users at de: seem to do nothing else
Those "few users" sure set the tone on deletion discussions.
the verge of being blocked AFAIK. What I wanted to point out is that these outrages by no means reflect the spirit of the German WP. The
They appear to reflect the spirit on [[de:WP:LK]] quite well.
There are several examples just among those listed for deletion today:
* [[de:Castorama]] (two sentences on a French retailer) * [[de:Barstede]] (two sentences on a place in Germany) * [[de:Rollins Band]] (band stub)
Each has been listed by a different editor (two of them admins). For each case, the motivation given for deletion was insufficient content, _not_ notability. There weren't exactly many other editors complaining about this "outrage", either.
In two cases, the articles were given 7 days to improve (common procedure on WP:de). Castorama was still pending when I checked, with discussion going forth and back. It might be instructive to try and vfd [[en:Castorama]] in the English WP (exact same content, except for the language).
And that's only for today, with cases that are fairly tame -- not much would be lost with the deletion of any of these stubs. I have seen the same pattern with stubs that in my opinion were quite useful. In most cases, stubs deserving an article end up being expanded rather than deleted, so the end result is positive. But it is a fact that WP:de is not a friendly place for short stubs, at least compared to WP:en.
Roger
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