Anthere wrote:
.... While I can consider ok that others are using user names very similar to mine, I think this was deliberate attempt to make other believe I (Anthere) said this about Aoineko. Hence, that is not simple fun, that is direct attack and attempt to twist other people perceptions.
I think that is wrong. ....
I also think that is wrong.
Distorting the messages of other user's is one of the main reasons why Lir was first banned. Being excessively rude is the reason why DW was banned. But the available evidence you have provided thus far indicates that Aoineko has effectively done both of these things /and/ has masqueraded as you in what you believe is an attempt to discredit you. Utra un-wiki if true.
Aoineko has also admitted to pretending he was you by saying it was a "joke." However, given how long I remember you complaining about an "imposter" I would have to say that I tend to suspect a less than jovial motive. There is /nothing/ funny about pretending to be someone else when it is obvious that that person (in this case you Anthere) was obviously distressed by this.
I like Lee's post talking about "Procedural default" and await Aoineko's side of the story.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Hello,
I think that non French Wikipedian needs more details about what happens and what had happenned.
I will give here more details on what happened before and about my chts with Aioneko and Anthere. I have also added in this email the point of vieuw of Aoineko since he was not very motivated to talk about it here and since he has a poor knowledge of English.
Fist, around January, there was a contributor, a vandal who has stolen the nickname of various sysops and who was araising some trouble on fr, hopefully he did not destroy a lot of pages.
Wat is more, some monthes ago, there was a "problematic" contributor. He was really "problematic". He has was responsible for the second war edit since my arrival on French Wikipedia (on February 2002). His name was Phillipe. Aoineko was very hungry against him, because he made a link to a racist site on an article about a "famous" French. Then, there was bitter comments between Anthere and Aoineko. Philippe wrote other articles whiche were non NPOV and was a adpoting a racist point of vieuw in his articles. Aoineko, then insulted Philippe and make revert without caring at what he do. Anthere was angry about that.
At that moment, there was flamewars on this list about racism here if you remeber. Most people did not care about (or at least were not very angry) the four letters words that Aoineko used and about his reverts, since Phillipe was not a "normal" wikipedian.
Aoineko and Anthere do not share the same point of vieuw on how to deal racism (include or not include), non NPOV (should we erase them, or let them unchanged till some one amend them), diplomacy (using four letters words or not for some users), how to use reverts (only after reading, or it may be used for people who do not respect wiketiquette)
Recent facts. I have not checked all the recent changes, here are some details.
First, the recent flameware between Aoineko and Anthere did begin with a contributor Atyvement. Athyvement used the same ho used a nickname than Athymik and made changes that were non NPOV.
Then Aoineko created the accounts similar to "anthere". He admitted it was a joke and that he did not created all the conterfeit. His intention was not to show to everybody that Anthere use for letters words but to show how dangerous it may be allowing people to use similar nick. In fact he was angry about the Athyvement contribution he made the same changes as before under a nick that was similar to another user
I have talked with Aoneko and Anthere through Yahoo and ICQ
Anthere was very sad about how Aoineko reacted, and reacts (he has used several times four letter words, about saying that "Aoineko is a *** under an account similar to Anthere, and how he revert non-NPOV articles instead of amending them).
I have also talked to Aoineko, he says that he will make an effort to not use four letter words and will not leave biased articles.
Aoineko admitted that he did make the account ''anthère'' to show how dangerous the use of similar nick may be. He has also a poor knowledge of English and so do not participate a lot to this mailing list.
I hope that things would become quieter and that they will both try to work together on the wiki even if they do not share the same policy. I thing it would be good if they stay both, even if they do not share the same policy (reverts/non-reverts on NPOV, how to deal with vandals, etc) but they share the same philosophy (make knowledge availabe) and they same goal (make Wikipedia a big encyclopedia)
Hope this email will be useful and that no one will over-react to this email.
Youssef
Sorry for my typos. No one here to edit my email and correct my spelling mistakes :-(
Oualmakran Youssef wrote:
Hello,
I think that non French Wikipedian needs more details about what happens and what had happenned.
Thank you!
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Then Aoineko created the accounts similar to "anthere". He admitted it was a joke and that he did not created all the conterfeit.
User names that confuse should be outlawed, but imposing controls is next to impossible. Of the names which Anthere lists I don't think we can do anything about Antherement, because that involves a subjective judgement about a situation. A parallel situation could develop if someone acquired the rights to the domain wickipedia.org. If we managed to shut that down the whole problem could just flare up again at wikepedia.org or wikipaedia.org, etc., etc., etc.
The other names that differ only by an accent can and should be banned. This has not been a problem in English because a lot of English speakers don't know how to put an accent on a letter. As we migrate toward UTF-8 it should be possible for the system to treat the user names "Anthere" and "Anthère" and even "AnthÊre" as identical.
Aoineko admitted that he did make the account ''anthère'' to show how dangerous the use of similar nick may be.
Ed Poor used a similar tactic to make a point about obscene user names when the TMC debate was raging. One of the problems with such tactics is that it gets people more worked up and into flame wars. It often backfires into the face of the person using it.
I hope that things would become quieter and that they will both try to work together on the wiki even if they do not share the same policy. I thing it would be good if they stay both, even if they do not share the same policy (reverts/non-reverts on NPOV, how to deal with vandals, etc) but they share the same philosophy (make knowledge availabe) and they same goal (make Wikipedia a big encyclopedia)
They are both established veteran contributors with much to offer who do what they do with unquestionably good intentions.
Hope this email will be useful and that no one will over-react to this email.
We needed a summary from someone who was not part of the war. I felt too lazy to read it all to develop my own understanding. I'm confident that we are all thankful for your efforts as a peacemaker
Youssef
Sorry for my typos. No one here to edit my email and correct my spelling mistakes :-(
The important thing is that you made your point. Typos and spelling are not so important on the mailing list, unless they give a wrong message.
Eclecticology
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