Giskart wrote:
''It seems clear to my that the English Wikipedia is not willing to give up his prominend location at www.wikipedia.org.''
Is that true? I read declarations in the past that said otherwise, but actions seems to indicate that he is right. There has been discussion here and on meta, but the results are always in the future.
Questions:
Is there any technical reason that www.wikipedia.org can not have one content, while www.wikipedia.org/wiki/something and www.wikipedia.org/wiki/something point to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/something?
Who has the final word in the "political" decision (as opposed to technical)? Jimbo? I remember him telling that he agreed to the change. Did he change his mind?
I'm sorry to insist in what may appear to be a petty issue, but I do not think it is.
--AstroNomer
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wiki pedista wrote:
Who has the final word in the "political" decision (as opposed to technical)? Jimbo?
That's right.
I remember him telling that he agreed to the change. Did he change his mind?
No, I agree that it is possible that we could improve the international flavor of the homepage of www.
However, I *do* think it is a pretty minor issue, because RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP of www are the links to other languages. I have not seen any concrete proposals that are actually much improvement to that.
It seems very unlikely that anyone could visit our homepage and not know that we are international. We can make the homepage useless for everyone, and language neutral, by removing the rest of the links on the homepage, and forcing all that stuff to appear only on en.wikipedia.org. But why?
I fail to see why anyone should be offended by our current treatment.
But, if there is an improvement to be made, I'm all for it.
--Jimbo
But, if there is an improvement to be made, I'm all for it.
Well, the idea is to offer actual new features for the multilingual portal: multi language search, multi language RC, language file editing interface, what have you. This is, IIRC, currently the plan for "phase IV" of the software.
My main problem is that people are very impatient. Magnus is just rewriting the interlanguage links code, which is very, very important to maintain the coherence of the different language pedias, *much* more important than the portal. Others are working on optimization so we can actually scale to accomodate more users. And so forth.
Having phase III working properly is a requirement for starting work on phase IV, for which we have to reorganize our database once more. We won't put some crappy link page up just to make people happy -- as you said, if all we do is *remove* content it's hardly worth it. I'm happy if we have phase III working nicely by mid-year. After that we can concentrate on phase IV.
So, can we stop bringing this subject up again until June or July, please? Thanks.
Regards,
Erik
----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Moeller" erik_moeller@gmx.de To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Is Giskart right? www.wikipedia.org
But, if there is an improvement to be made, I'm all for it.
Well, the idea is to offer actual new features for the multilingual portal: multi language search
This sound great, but it´s interesting see how it will work ( perhaps using the user´s web-browser language preferences to offer deault searching and the option search in another languages too ??.
multi language RC
Sorry, what it´s RC ???
language file editing interface, what have you. This is, IIRC,
IRCC : perhaps --->>>"If I Recall/Remember Correctly ". Really, I need an acronym finder and I think this a must be in wikiland [[acron:IRCC]]
currently the plan for "phase IV" of the software.
Having phase III working properly is a requirement for starting work on phase IV,
Where can I see a summary about the phases and plans ??
Regards.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Wales" jwales@bomis.com To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Is Giskart right? www.wikipedia.org
However, I *do* think it is a pretty minor issue, because RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP of www are the links to other languages. I have not seen any concrete proposals that are actually much improvement to that.
The "generic link" proposal could be.
You can include a link to a language. Imagine a link to "domobots" :D in Africaans doesn´t appears may, 2001. You can add a http://gen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domobot link in your page. If in June, 2001 there is not an article of domobots in your browser primary language, you will redirected to your second prefered language (i.e. english ) to see the article in english
If in July 2001, theres is an article, you will be redirected to the africaans article.
And all this without change the link. The user selects the options, not the page writer ( web-master).
This is specially interesting for multilanguage pages.
Regards.
wiki pedista wikipedista=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote in news:20030205212327.65031.qmail@web41403.mail.yahoo.com:
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I'm sorry to insist in what may appear to be a petty issue, but I do not think it is.
--AstroNomer
Jimmy Wales jwales=KK9S75Hv+MAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote in news:20030205132112.P22575@joey.bomis.com:
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I fail to see why anyone should be offended by our current treatment.
Case closed. The english Wikipedia can have www.wikipedia.org
Best thing al wikipedia's can do is get your one local country domain and use it for promotion.of your wikipedia in that country.
And if there are several languages in that country, share it. (like www.wikipedia.nl) For a overview of all Wikipedias you can send traffic to http://portal.wikipedia.be
It is even better for recognition to use the domain of the local country instead of the exotic .org (exotic for must users).
Must users get confused when a url does not start whit www and not ends whit (countrys ccTLD) or .com
And some webdirectorys do not accept a url if it is not from that country.
I wrote:
I fail to see why anyone should be offended by our current treatment.
Giskart wrote:
Case closed. The english Wikipedia can have www.wikipedia.org
No, not case closed. Case opened. Please see what Erik wrote, I agree with it entirely.
Best thing al wikipedia's can do is get your one local country domain and use it for promotion.of your wikipedia in that country.
I very much discourage this practice unless done under the auspices of the Wikipedia Foundation. It amounts to nothing more than a power play and I don't think it's in the spirit of international co-operation.
--Jimbo
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