The Enciclopedia libre at http://enciclopedia.us.es/ is much larger and more active than the Spanish Wikipedia at http://es.wikipedia.com/ (in fact, it is by a large margin the biggest non-English free encyclopedia and the third largest wiki in the world).
I think we should junk our Spanish Wikipedia, provide a link to their site on our main page (they probably don't like to be called Wikipedia, so we could simply say "non-English sister projects") and have our interwiki links point to them rather then to the Spanish Wikipedia.
And if we ask nicely, we may even get a link back to wikipedia.com.
Axel
P.S. I would assume that over time, other international Wikpedias will prefer to operate out of their own countries, to improve connection speeds and gain more contol, and I don't see anything wrong with that.
Axel Boldt wrote:
The Enciclopedia libre at http://enciclopedia.us.es/ is much larger and more active than the Spanish Wikipedia at http://es.wikipedia.com/
I think we should junk our Spanish Wikipedia, provide a link to their site on our main page (they probably don't like to be called Wikipedia, so we could simply say "non-English sister projects") and have our interwiki links point to them rather then to the Spanish Wikipedia.
And if we ask nicely, we may even get a link back to wikipedia.com.
P.S. I would assume that over time, other international Wikpedias will prefer to operate out of their own countries, to improve connection speeds and gain more contol, and I don't see anything wrong with that.
This may very well become standard procedure for all languages, but it would make more sense to discuss this issue in general terms rather than doing it separately for each language. Perhaps some kind of co-operation agreements might be the way to go.
Eclecticology
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--MLLNZEYCLYMQ@spammotel.com--Axel Boldt wrote:
The Enciclopedia libre at http://enciclopedia.us.es/ is much larger and more active than the Spanish Wikipedia at http://es.wikipedia.com/
That is a fact.
I think we should junk our Spanish Wikipedia, provide a link to their site on our main page (they probably don't like to be called Wikipedia, so we could simply say "non-English sister projects") and have our interwiki links point to them rather then to the Spanish Wikipedia.
That would be *very* unfair and a insult to the people who work on the Spanish Bomis-wikipedia. That Wikipedia is active; http://es.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Cambios_Recientes If it would be a dead Wikipedia things would be different. The fact that it is smaller is not a reason to junk it.
Every Wikipedia is autonomous to do things like the seem fit in general. But I see the Bomis-Wikipedia's as a part of a federation. Some ways of doing things my vary from wikipedia to wikipedia but the are all from the same family. The preferd partner must always be a fellow Wikipedia and not a foreign pedia.
P.S. I would assume that over time, other international Wikpedias will prefer to operate out of their own countries, to improve connection speeds and gain more contol, and I don't see anything wrong with that.
Only that if you exclude some fellow-wikidpia the "international Wikpedias" would likely be soon no "Wikipedia" anymore. ("international Wikpedias" -> does this mean there is also a national Wikipedia ? )
A great thing of Wikipedia is the global aspect. Please do not blow it.
giskart, Dutch Wikipedia
Spanish speakers wouldn't like it to be called a Wikipedia because they really don't even like saying or hearing the "Wiki" part, both the "w" and the "k" sound being foreign and unpleasant.
Here's some data.
I just checked one name, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, the greatest living writer in Spanish, probably, certainly the best known:
-- No article in the Spanish Wikipedia
-- Short article in the Enciclopedia Libre, short list of works, with all blank links or external links
-- Nice long article in the English Wikipedia with a much longer list of works with all blank links
Maybe we should investigate what we need to do to encourage and support translation?
Also, we should certainly offer or arrange to transfer the content of the Spanish Wikipedia to the Enciclopedia Libre and not just swap links.
Tom Parmenter Ortolan88
|From: Axel Boldt axel@uni-paderborn.de |Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:59:55 +0200 (MET DST) | |The Enciclopedia libre at http://enciclopedia.us.es/ is much larger |and more active than the Spanish Wikipedia at http://es.wikipedia.com/ |(in fact, it is by a large margin the biggest non-English free |encyclopedia and the third largest wiki in the world). | |I think we should junk our Spanish Wikipedia, provide a link to their |site on our main page (they probably don't like to be called |Wikipedia, so we could simply say "non-English sister projects") and |have our interwiki links point to them rather then to the Spanish |Wikipedia. | |And if we ask nicely, we may even get a link back to wikipedia.com. | |Axel | |P.S. I would assume that over time, other international Wikpedias will |prefer to operate out of their own countries, to improve connection |speeds and gain more contol, and I don't see anything wrong with that. |
Tom Parmenter wrote:
Spanish speakers wouldn't like it to be called a Wikipedia because they really don't even like saying or hearing the "Wiki" part, both the "w" and the "k" sound being foreign and unpleasant.
For the Esperanto people, I registered vikipedio.com/net/org
I could do the same for Spanish people, if there is an acceptable analogue.
I'm very much opposed to closing any of our language wikipedias.
--Jimbo
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Keeping in mind that Spanish is itself phonetic and that I can't put a diaresis over the u, the Spanish Royal Academy would probably spell it
g-u<diaresis>-q-u-i
based on their preferred spelling of "whisky" as
g-u<diaresis>-i-s-q-u-i
The diaresis is not an umlaut, but a diacritical mark indicating that the U and the I are in separate syllables. The Spanish aren't crazy about this solution (whisky is usually just spelled whisky), but it is the official one. I don't know how you'd get a diaresis into a URL.
Perhaps you should check with contributor Perique des Palottes.
Tom
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Oops, see CORRECTION below.
||Tom Parmenter wrote: ||> Spanish speakers wouldn't like it to be called a Wikipedia because ||> they really don't even like saying or hearing the "Wiki" part, both ||> the "w" and the "k" sound being foreign and unpleasant. || ||For the Esperanto people, I registered vikipedio.com/net/org || ||I could do the same for Spanish people, if there is an acceptable analogue. | |Keeping in mind that Spanish is itself phonetic and that I can't put a |diaresis over the u, the Spanish Royal Academy would probably spell it | CORRECTION: g-u<diaresis>-i-q-u-i | |based on their preferred spelling of "whisky" as | | g-u<diaresis>-i-s-q-u-i | |The diaresis is not an umlaut, but a diacritical mark indicating that |the U and the I are in separate syllables. The Spanish aren't crazy |about this solution (whisky is usually just spelled whisky), but it is |the official one. I don't know how you'd get a diaresis into a URL. | |Perhaps you should check with contributor Perique des Palottes. | |Tom | || ||I'm very much opposed to closing any of our language wikipedias. || ||--Jimbo |
At 03:44 PM 8/13/02 -0700, Jimbo wrote:
Tom Parmenter wrote:
Spanish speakers wouldn't like it to be called a Wikipedia because they really don't even like saying or hearing the "Wiki" part, both the "w" and the "k" sound being foreign and unpleasant.
For the Esperanto people, I registered vikipedio.com/net/org
I could do the same for Spanish people, if there is an acceptable analogue.
I'm very much opposed to closing any of our language wikipedias.
How about a link to both of them?
Fred
Fred Bauder wrote:
At 03:44 PM 8/13/02 -0700, Jimbo wrote:
Tom Parmenter wrote:
Spanish speakers wouldn't like it to be called a Wikipedia because they really don't even like saying or hearing the "Wiki" part, both the "w" and the "k" sound being foreign and unpleasant.
For the Esperanto people, I registered vikipedio.com/net/org
I could do the same for Spanish people, if there is an acceptable analogue.
I'm very much opposed to closing any of our language wikipedias.
How about a link to both of them?
A link to both of which?
At 05:08 AM 8/14/02 -0700, you wrote:
Fred Bauder wrote:
At 03:44 PM 8/13/02 -0700, Jimbo wrote:
Tom Parmenter wrote:
Spanish speakers wouldn't like it to be called a Wikipedia because they really don't even like saying or hearing the "Wiki" part, both the "w" and the "k" sound being foreign and unpleasant.
For the Esperanto people, I registered vikipedio.com/net/org
I could do the same for Spanish people, if there is an acceptable
analogue.
I'm very much opposed to closing any of our language wikipedias.
How about a link to both of them?
A link to both of which?
Both Spanish language wikipedias
Fred
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 03:44:22PM -0700, Jimmy Wales wrote:
I'm very much opposed to closing any of our language wikipedias.
Very understandable, but on the other hand, their site has the greatest momentum and that is what counts. If I would be Spanish-speaking and wondered about which site I would contribute to, the choice wouldn't be hard; you go where the action is.
If you want a Spanish Wikipedia then the only realistic option I see is trying to get them back into the Wikipedia family by establishing more and closer contact. Asking them if there could be translation links back and forth would then probably be a good first step. The next step could then be to get all the Wikipedias in sync with the software updates and do everything to keep them that way. Perhaps their user base might then start to wonder if this separation is really worthwhile.
[ bad pun about a big fish trying to eat a little fish deleted ]
-- Jan Hidders
--- Jan Hidders hidders@uia.ua.ac.be wrote:
If you want a Spanish Wikipedia then the only realistic option I see is trying to get them back into the Wikipedia family by establishing more and closer contact. Asking them if there could be translation links back and forth would then probably be a good first step.
There seems to be some interest in this already at the EL. They've been discussing interlanguage links with Wikipedia on their Metapedia site: http://turismundo.sav.us.es/metapedia/wiki.phtml?title=Enlaces+a+Wikipedia
Do we have any Spanish speakers on this list who could act as ambassadors and translators? Language is certainly one of the problems we're having.
Stephen G.
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|From: Stephen Gilbert canuck_in_korea2002@yahoo.com |Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:36:30 -0700 (PDT) | | |--- Jan Hidders hidders@uia.ua.ac.be wrote: | |> If you want a Spanish Wikipedia then the only |> realistic option I see is |> trying to get them back into the Wikipedia family by |> establishing more and |> closer contact. Asking them if there could be |> translation links back and |> forth would then probably be a good first step. | |There seems to be some interest in this already at the |EL. They've been discussing interlanguage links with |Wikipedia on their Metapedia site: |http://turismundo.sav.us.es/metapedia/wiki.phtml?title=Enlaces+a+Wikipedia
They all seem to be for it.
| |Do we have any Spanish speakers on this list who could |act as ambassadors and translators? Language is |certainly one of the problems we're having.
I have some confidence in my ability to translate from Spanish, less confidence in my ability to translate to Spanish.
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