It sometimes happens that true vandals login. I give as an example Annetit on the [[Woman]] article. If this person was posting from an ip number, instead of a username, they would have been promptly and justly banned immediately.
It would be nice if sysops could just as easily obtain and ban the ip number for a username.
There *are* some potential political problems with this, obviously. One of the most important "checks" against sysop "power" is that by logging in, people are immune to banning unless we go through a whole political process of deciding to ban them, which is always a big deal.
And that's a good thing, I think, as uncomfortable as it is sometimes.
So, ideas?
--Jimbo
Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com writes:
So, ideas?
Sure :) Do not ban at all and the problem will vanish.
Instead try to identify the attackers and take appropriate actions. Yes, that's easy said but it's the only way to make this world a better world.
Karl Eichwalder wrote:
So, ideas?
Sure :) Do not ban at all and the problem will vanish.
Instead try to identify the attackers and take appropriate actions. Yes, that's easy said but it's the only way to make this world a better world.
I'm not sure what you mean. What "appropriate actions" do you recommend?
In an emergency situation, like the one we faced on Saturday morning, it's unrealistic to hope that we can find and get a sysop on the other end to take action.
--Jimbo
Jimmy Wales jwales@bomis.com writes:
I'm not sure what you mean. What "appropriate actions" do you recommend?
I have pretty basic actions in mind: Try identifying him and then take care about him (talk to him, tell social services about this poor soul, etc.). Yes, that's a time consuming job.
In an emergency situation, like the one we faced on Saturday morning, it's unrealistic to hope that we can find and get a sysop on the other end to take action.
It might be okay to "ban" someone for a short period of time, but it's not okay to ban an IP number longer then half a day or so. If the attacker is a criminal he probably has mask his identity, etc. I'm sure I'm telling you nothing new.
On sab, 2003-02-08 at 04:43, Jimmy Wales wrote:
It would be nice if sysops could just as easily obtain and ban the ip number for a username.
For that matter, it's high past time we had an explicit privacy policy.
I've put a preliminary draft at: http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_privacy_policy
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Wales" jwales@bomis.com To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: [Wikipedia-l] ips for usernames
It sometimes happens that true vandals login. I give as an example Annetit on the [[Woman]] article. If this person was posting from an ip number, instead of a username, they would have been promptly and justly banned immediately.
It would be nice if sysops could just as easily obtain and ban the ip number for a username.
This is would I named the "Ip search tool".
The decission it´s "political", to say that way..
Regards.
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