On Jul 15, 2006, at 7:08 AM, Francis Tyers wrote:
Please
re-read the context below - of course, you're right that "wiki" is
not
equal to wikip/media - but that's not what Andre or Ruth were saying
How were
they saying otherwise? They thought wikia = wikipedia?
-Bop
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Nowhere did anyone say "Wikia -
Wikipedia" apart from you.
Ruth mentioned the following:
"On July 4, 2006, Jimmy Wales opened a new wiki devoted to political
topics. You can find it at"
Andre mentioned:
"So? So nothing. Ruth is just warning people who expect to get to some
kind of Wikipedia as to what to actually expect."
This statement makes an assumption that a single wikia/wikicities
community is meaningfully related in some way to Wikipedia.
Now, I don't see anywhere there where they say
"Wikia is Wikipedia".
Why even *bother* mentioning wikia/wikicities, then?
I think it is quite a reasonable thing to announce on
the list and we
would have saved everyone a lot of time if you hadn't have gone off on
one over something you thought you read.
Wikia/wikicities was already announced a *long* time ago. The general
project has been around since at least the 8th of December, 2003. It's
a totally separate project, and its ~1500 sub-wikis has nothing to do
with "what to actually expect" from Wikipedia (or vice versa), unless
Andre knows something that none of the rest of us do.
Incidentally, Ruth is right, it is not "just
another Wiki", it is "just
another Wiki run by the guy who runs/owns/$your verb here$ Wikipedia".
Hence interesting, but another Wiki, say "Wikiporn" (recent AfD
candidate) would /not/ be interesting because it isn't run by Jimbo
Wales.
Jimbo is involved in a *lot* of wikis, Wikipedia is one of them. They
(wikis he is involved in, in some way) have a very broad range of
rules. Looking at one that is not Wikipedia does not tell us "what to
actually expect" from Wikipedia, and looking at Wikipedia does not tell
us "what to expect" from his, or any other, wikis. There was a
deliberate attempt made to imply some form of linkage, where there
isn't any, other than Jimbo's involvement.
In regards to wikiporn, the closest wikia I've found is wikifur, at
furry.wikia.com. Been around since July 29, 2005. Should we should
announce it to the list as 'what to expect' from Wikipedia, or that
people expecting Wikipedia should realize that there are furries over
there, with different rules on their content than Wikipedia? Or that at
althistory.wikia.com, verifiability is nonexistent, so we should
announce it? With Jimbo involved in over 1,500 separate wikis, each
with their own rules, that's gonna create a *lot* of list traffic, as
compared to just realizing "hey, wikis that are not Wikipedia do not
have Wikipedia's rules, so people should not expect those other wikis
to be anything like Wikipedia."
-Bop
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