I want to start a Wikipedia page in old norse (gamalnorska), and I suggest the language code "gno".
Vegard Aukrust
*cough*
I'm not sure the current environment is the best place for a request regarding Old Norse. But anyhow, I have a question: will you use the runic script, or the latin script?
Anyhow, my suggestion is that you first write a few articles off-site, and if you can try to find people who will help build the Wikipedia.
Mark
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:57:03 +0100, Vegard Aukrust vegara@stud.ntnu.no wrote:
I want to start a Wikipedia page in old norse (gamalnorska), and I suggest the language code "gno".
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I will use the modified latin alphabeth. Old norse is not so different from modern icelandic and often mistaken as that, but I want to use the same language the one you find in Norwegian texts from the 12th, 13th and 14th centuries. I don't find it more strange than latin, anglo-saxon or a lot of other old langiages. The letters which are not used in modern English are as follows: æ, o, ð and þ (but not ä, ö, ø or å as in modern scandinavian).
Vegard Aukrust
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Williamson" node.ue@gmail.com To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Old norse
*cough*
I'm not sure the current environment is the best place for a request regarding Old Norse. But anyhow, I have a question: will you use the runic script, or the latin script?
Anyhow, my suggestion is that you first write a few articles off-site, and if you can try to find people who will help build the Wikipedia.
Mark
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:57:03 +0100, Vegard Aukrust vegara@stud.ntnu.no wrote:
I want to start a Wikipedia page in old norse (gamalnorska), and I suggest the language code "gno".
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What I meant is that now isn't really a good time for language proposals - they don't seem to be well-recieved, especially if they're for "dead" languages.
Mark
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:02:25 +0100, Vegard Aukrust vegara@stud.ntnu.no wrote:
I will use the modified latin alphabeth. Old norse is not so different from modern icelandic and often mistaken as that, but I want to use the same language the one you find in Norwegian texts from the 12th, 13th and 14th centuries. I don't find it more strange than latin, anglo-saxon or a lot of other old langiages. The letters which are not used in modern English are as follows: æ, o, ð and þ (but not ä, ö, ø or å as in modern scandinavian).
Vegard Aukrust
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Williamson" node.ue@gmail.com To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Old norse
*cough*
I'm not sure the current environment is the best place for a request regarding Old Norse. But anyhow, I have a question: will you use the runic script, or the latin script?
Anyhow, my suggestion is that you first write a few articles off-site, and if you can try to find people who will help build the Wikipedia.
Mark
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:57:03 +0100, Vegard Aukrust vegara@stud.ntnu.no wrote:
I want to start a Wikipedia page in old norse (gamalnorska), and I suggest the language code "gno".
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Hello,
As for me, i think it would be wonderfull to have a free, open and rich old Norsk basis like Wikipedia. I have been trying to learn Islandic in France, because I want to learn Old Norks and read the eddas in their own language ( I am fon dof philology) and it is quite difficult to find books or resorces in this old language. You know Tolkien started to learn Old norsk when he was 32 old, as a curious human spirit, and what he learn, cumulated to his large knwoledge in German and English families of language, permitted to créate a new fantastic world : his own historico-imaginative world. Borgès, too, learn old Norks, and his dream of a Babel Library is a metaphore of what the internet is actualyy for a part, and what he could be :) So, it would be a pity not to use internet and Wikipedia to support thos luck to approach wonderfull old language an d perhaps fertilize the futur with human transformation.
Languages are not dead if there is on human who gets pleasure to pronounce, read, write with it...It can become esoteric for most people but internet could serve to give another luck to many languages and many human cultures.
Best regards
Pascale
Mark Williamson a écrit :
What I meant is that now isn't really a good time for language proposals - they don't seem to be well-recieved, especially if they're for "dead" languages.
Mark
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:02:25 +0100, Vegard Aukrust vegara@stud.ntnu.no wrote:
I will use the modified latin alphabeth. Old norse is not so different from modern icelandic and often mistaken as that, but I want to use the same language the one you find in Norwegian texts from the 12th, 13th and 14th centuries. I don't find it more strange than latin, anglo-saxon or a lot of other old langiages. The letters which are not used in modern English are as follows: æ, o, ð and þ (but not ä, ö, ø or å as in modern scandinavian).
Vegard Aukrust
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Williamson" node.ue@gmail.com To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Old norse
*cough*
I'm not sure the current environment is the best place for a request regarding Old Norse. But anyhow, I have a question: will you use the runic script, or the latin script?
Anyhow, my suggestion is that you first write a few articles off-site, and if you can try to find people who will help build the Wikipedia.
Mark
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:57:03 +0100, Vegard Aukrust vegara@stud.ntnu.no wrote:
I want to start a Wikipedia page in old norse (gamalnorska), and I suggest the language code "gno".
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Hi Mark,
Le Tuesday 4 January 2005 00:25, Mark Williamson a écrit :
What I meant is that now isn't really a good time for language proposals - they don't seem to be well-recieved, especially if they're for "dead" languages.
Mark
Please stop spreading FUD. Requests are not well received when they are sent by YOU, that the point.
Regards, Yann
Let's see. How many requests have I posted to this list? Two.
How many languages were badly received? Quite a few.
Please stop slandering me. That the point.
Mark
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:48:04 +0100, Yann Forget yann@forget-me.net wrote:
Hi Mark,
Le Tuesday 4 January 2005 00:25, Mark Williamson a écrit :
What I meant is that now isn't really a good time for language proposals - they don't seem to be well-recieved, especially if they're for "dead" languages.
Mark
Please stop spreading FUD. Requests are not well received when they are sent by YOU, that the point.
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Mark Williamson wrote:
Let's see. How many requests have I posted to this list? Two.
How many languages were badly received? Quite a few.
Please stop slandering me. That the point.
Mark
Mark, You are like an old record, stuck in the same phrases time and again. You have annoyed and insulted many people and you are unappologetic about it. Slander is also a bit much, you may not like what Yann said about you, but similar things have been said by many. As to you proposing new languages, even that is not really the whole point. When a language is proposed you have to weigh in every time with what you think is the opinion of the people on the list and give it no time to form about what is asked/proposed. When you ask questions as you did about how the old Norse will be written etc they are often good and valid questions. Take some time to build some credit and try to be nice, not insult people.
Another thing you could do is appreciate the positions of others. People do not have to agree with you and they may still achieve things that even you think are worthwhile.
Thanks, GerardM
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:48:04 +0100, Yann Forget yann@forget-me.net wrote:
Hi Mark,
Le Tuesday 4 January 2005 00:25, Mark Williamson a écrit :
What I meant is that now isn't really a good time for language proposals - they don't seem to be well-recieved, especially if they're for "dead" languages.
Mark
Please stop spreading FUD. Requests are not well received when they are sent by YOU, that the point.
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Mark, You are like an old record, stuck in the same phrases time and again. You have annoyed and insulted many people and you are unappologetic about it. Slander is also a bit much, you may not like what Yann said about you, but similar things have been said by many. As to you proposing new languages, even that is not really the whole point. When a language is proposed you have to weigh in every time with what you think is the opinion of the people on the list and give it no time to form about what is asked/proposed. When you ask questions as you did about how the old Norse will be written etc they are often good and valid questions. Take some time to build some credit and try to be nice, not insult people.
Another thing you could do is appreciate the positions of others. People do not have to agree with you and they may still achieve things that even you think are worthwhile.
I'm not really sure where all this is coming from, but I have pretty much the same thing to say back at you.
Mark
Vegard Aukrust wrote:
I will use the modified latin alphabeth. Old norse is not so different from modern icelandic and often mistaken as that, but I want to use the same language the one you find in Norwegian texts from the 12th, 13th and 14th centuries. I don't find it more strange than latin, anglo-saxon or a lot of other old langiages. The letters which are not used in modern English are as follows: æ, o, ð and þ (but not ä, ö, ø or å as in modern scandinavian).
As far as I know, Swedish linguists divide the development of the Swedish language roughly into:
--1225 Old Norse (fornnordiska), a pan-Scandinavian language 1225--1526 Old Swedish (fornsvenska), starting to differ from Danish 1526-- Modern Swedish (nysvenska), beginning with the New Testament
I guess the same goes for Danish and Norwegian? I have no idea of how useful a Wikipedia in Old Norse will be, how you will find a norm for correct spelling, how you will invent words for new innovations, or if you will draw a line at 1225. In Sweden, very few written documents in Old Norse are available. Much that was written when Christianity was new here, was written in Latin, while Old Norse was mostly spoken. There are far more written documents in Old Swedish, including diaries, chronicles, poetry, contracts, laws and partial translations of the Bible. If you think you can write an encyclopedia in Old Norse, I think you should go ahead. Perhaps expanding the current article on the [[en:Old Norse language]] could be a good start?
If it is of any help, I have digitized the first 10 years (1883-1894) of "Arkiv for nordisk filologi" at http://runeberg.org/anf/
That would be a nice wiki to start! Old Norse already has the language code "non," though. Old Norse has a rich literature and would be quite easy to get started...there are several Old Norse mailing lists, and lots of people who could contribute. If I could a vote for non.wikipedia.org, I would.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Vegard Aukrust Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:57 PM To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Old norse
I want to start a Wikipedia page in old norse (gamalnorska), and I suggest the language code "gno".
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Since Old Norse has the ISO code non, I'm sure the subdomain would be non:, regardless.
Mark
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:32:26 +0100, James R. Johnson modean52@comcast.net wrote:
That would be a nice wiki to start! Old Norse already has the language code "non," though. Old Norse has a rich literature and would be quite easy to get started...there are several Old Norse mailing lists, and lots of people who could contribute. If I could a vote for non.wikipedia.org, I would.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Vegard Aukrust Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:57 PM To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Old norse
I want to start a Wikipedia page in old norse (gamalnorska), and I suggest the language code "gno".
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