Is Wikipedia:Verifiability an official policy only on the English Wikipedia, or on Wikipedias in all languages?
Does it need to be approved by local community?
-- Alexander Sigachov http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ajvol
If it isn't present on a wikipedia, it would need to be approved by the sysops/bureaucrats and general users on the wiki, however as an official long standing policy on en:wp this shouldn't be a problem.
On 8/22/06, Александр Сигачёв alexander.sigachov@gmail.com wrote:
Is Wikipedia:Verifiability an official policy only on the English Wikipedia, or on Wikipedias in all languages?
Does it need to be approved by local community?
-- Alexander Sigachov http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ajvol _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
So, even fundamental policies (translations of them) such as Verifiability and NPOV should be approved. Right?
But that will be if the policy will not receive approval?
-- Alexander Sigachov http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ajvol
On 8/22/06, Александр Сигачёв alexander.sigachov@gmail.com wrote:
So, even fundamental policies (translations of them) such as Verifiability and NPOV should be approved. Right?
But that will be if the policy will not receive approval?
NPOV is non-negotiable. It is one of the "pillars" of Wikipedia. Most policies are just the verbose version of what is already present thanks to the pillars. If a policy is not approved, you can always refer to them.
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars
Mathias
NPOV is non-negotiable. It is one of the "pillars" of Wikipedia. Most policies are just the verbose version of what is already present thanks to the pillars. If a policy is not approved, you can always refer to them.
Why are the "pillars" non-negotiable? Who created the "pillars"? Who approved them?
I need sources to use them in discussion.
-- Alexander Sigachov
Александр Сигачёв wrote:
NPOV is non-negotiable. It is one of the "pillars" of Wikipedia. Most policies are just the verbose version of what is already present thanks to the pillars. If a policy is not approved, you can always refer to them.
Why are the "pillars" non-negotiable? Who created the "pillars"? Who approved them?
I need sources to use them in discussion.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_issues
NPOV and Freedom of content are listed here and date back to Nupedia. "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" has been around since early 2002. "Wikipedia has a code of conduct" and "Wikipedia does not have firm rules" have been established over time (in the last 3 years or so) by the English Wikipedia community as a way of ensuring that the entire thing actually works.
Aleksandr, if you are interested in the history of the pillars, you might read the following:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200609/wikipedia
I wrote this article, so if you have further questions contact me. Larry Sanger also wrote an excellent memoir (originally published on Slashdot) that touches on the pillars. See:
http://www.memoryarchive.org/en/The_Origins_of_Wikipedia%2C_2001%2C_by_Larry _Sanger
There are also good accounts of Wikipedia's history on Wikipedia itself, for example, at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia
All the Best, Marshall Poe
On 8/24/06 10:39 PM, "Alphax (Wikipedia email)" alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Александр Сигачёв wrote:
NPOV is non-negotiable. It is one of the "pillars" of Wikipedia. Most policies are just the verbose version of what is already present thanks to the pillars. If a policy is not approved, you can always refer to them.
Why are the "pillars" non-negotiable? Who created the "pillars"? Who approved them?
I need sources to use them in discussion.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_issues
NPOV and Freedom of content are listed here and date back to Nupedia. "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" has been around since early 2002. "Wikipedia has a code of conduct" and "Wikipedia does not have firm rules" have been established over time (in the last 3 years or so) by the English Wikipedia community as a way of ensuring that the entire thing actually works.
Александр Сигачёв wrote:
So, even fundamental policies (translations of them) such as Verifiability and NPOV should be approved. Right?
No. They don't have to be approved, it's a core principle that all articles in Wikipedia should be verifiable and neutral.
But there is no obligation to translate the english policy pages - every wikipedia is free to formulate their own verifiability policy as long as it successfully accomplishes its purpose.
When I created policy pages for the German Wikipedia I usually looked around for inspiration in other language Wikipedia, adopted what seemed good and wrote it in my own words.
Regarding approval: If a wikipedia doesn't already approve NPOV and verifiability, then there's something seriously wrong with its community. The individual wording of your policy pages, be it translated or written by yourself, should of course meet the approval of the community as well.
Now, the important point: Events like on http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Policies&oldid=9... are the completely wrong way to establish policies. Discuss policies widely in the community, change policies upon good suggestions, be open about it. But a vote should only be held if other ways were tried.
Good policies will be unspokenly approved by the community following them and ascertaining that they are obeyed, bad policies will just get ignored.
greetings, elian
On 8/22/06, Elisabeth Bauer elian@djini.de wrote:
Now, the important point: Events like on http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Policies&oldid=9... are the completely wrong way to establish policies. Discuss policies widely in the community, change policies upon good suggestions, be open about it. But a vote should only be held if other ways were tried.
Does that mean you will accept voting when other ways have been tried? Elian, if you stick to that line, we may yet become friends. ;-)
On 8/22/06, Александр Сигачёв alexander.sigachov@gmail.com wrote:
But that will be if the policy will not receive approval?
Please tell us.
But that will be if the policy will not receive approval?
Please tell us.
OK. The approval voting is on going now in Russian Wikipedia (discussion befor the voting was sluggish). Text is translation of the English policy.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B...
After first day:
48 votes
64% pro 30% contra 6% neutral
We need at least 67% for approval.
-- Alexander Sigachov
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