MarderIII: should people pronounce the names of foreign places in the foreign manner? Bakunin 18: Er, as they are pronounced by their populations? MarderIII: yes Bakunin 18: I think so MarderIII: wikipedia banned me over that question MarderIII: i really fucking hate people right now Bakunin 18: You can't switch IPs? MarderIII: i can MarderIII: i already did it once MarderIII: i found some good info on the Taino MarderIII: and so i added it MarderIII: and then some troll went and deleted it because I was banned and not allowed to contribute Bakunin 18: That's... incredibly stupid. MarderIII: they are also threatning to ban other people who don't think I was so uncontrollab MarderIII: e Bakunin 18: Is there not some head admin you can talk to? MarderIII: he is very mad at me Bakunin 18: Oh
MarderIII: should people pronounce the names of foreign places in the foreign manner? opium4themasses: hrm opium4themasses: well, it would be best if they did opium4themasses: well no... MarderIII: wikipedia banned me over the question opium4themasses: erg? MarderIII: I came to the conclusion that it boiled down to a latent racism from not considering the other culture's name to have any real tangible value in excess of the outsiders name opium4themasses: hrm, maybe not racism opium4themasses: more just egocentric MarderIII: I believe names are very important MarderIII: egocentrism is racism I believe opium4themasses: it's more than just racism
MarderIII: should people pronounce the names of foreign places in the foreign manner? Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: no MarderIII: why not? Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: because you are not in the foreign place Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: i have someone at work mad at me Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: someone in brazil Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: the program puts Brazil at the top of their report Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: however in Brazil they spell Brazil like this Brasil Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: they don't like that i spell brazil the correct way in the us MarderIII: So shouldnt we start saying Brasil? Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: but if i spell it brasil then people in the us will think i spelled it wrong Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: no MarderIII: they are just uneducated though MarderIII: its Brasil Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: does germany call germany germany MarderIII: Brazil is just a mistake that a foreigner made Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: or deustchland MarderIII: Deutschland MarderIII: I want to go to Deutschland MarderIII: not Germany MarderIII: Germany is an american tourist spot MarderIII: Deutschland is a real place Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: i am sure the germans do not call the united states the united states MarderIII: who are we to say what germans should do MarderIII: we need to focus on us MarderIII: and set a good example Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: yet it is proper to pronounce people's names as they pronounce them in their home country Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: so perhaps proper names should be pronounced as the local people wish them to be pronounced MarderIII: I agree MarderIII: and of course there are difficult questions MarderIII: like what should Asia be called? MarderIII: I for one, am not particular, as to whether we refer to it in Chinese or Vietnamese MarderIII: but surely we should use an Asian language MarderIII: and as Chinese are the most populous MarderIII: I would much rather use the Chinese name for Asia Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: now i disagree Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: you should call everything whatever your local language calls it MarderIII: why? Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: it is a different language MarderIII: why should that matter? Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: your language can call it whatever it deems proper Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: it is language MarderIII: thats a good point MarderIII: languages are code MarderIII: but what about names? MarderIII: personal names? Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: they should be as the person call themselves MarderIII: what about Christopher Columbus MarderIII: he never called himself such
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Bridget [name omitted for privacy reasons] wrote:
MarderIII: should people pronounce the names of foreign places in the foreign manner? Bakunin 18: Er, as they are pronounced by their populations? MarderIII: yes Bakunin 18: I think so MarderIII: wikipedia banned me over that question
This is simply untrue.
MarderIII: i really fucking hate people right now
This may be true, but isn't helpful. When you let go of your anger, you will be better able to think clearly about how to achieve the things that you want to achieve.
Bakunin 18: You can't switch IPs? MarderIII: i can MarderIII: i already did it once MarderIII: i found some good info on the Taino MarderIII: and so i added it MarderIII: and then some troll went and deleted it because I was banned and not allowed to contribute Bakunin 18: That's... incredibly stupid. MarderIII: they are also threatning to ban other people who don't think I was so uncontrollab MarderIII: e Bakunin 18: Is there not some head admin you can talk to? MarderIII: he is very mad at me
I am not mad at anyone. I am disappointed that Lir has not recognized that the problem is not even remotely related to legitimate disagreements about how to pronounce foreign words. The problem is *directly* related to misrepresenting why he/she was banned.
Pretending that you were banned over pronunciation, after our long conversations, is not really fair.
If you ask your friends for input into this situation, and you tell them things that are not true, then you will get advice that is inaccurate. If you tell them that you were banned for your views on anglicization, when you were actually banned for being an obnoxious pest who calls people racist for no reason, they will be unable to tell you "Stop being an obnoxious pest... present your views with reason and good will, and others will agree or disagree with some details, but you can likely achieve your significant goals to a significant extent."
--Jimbo
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