Our first quarter 2005 fund drive officially started at midnight UTC Friday morning.
On Day 0 (Thursday eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not available in UTC) we made $1,023.19 (USD) through PayPal (other sources unknown). As of right now we have generated a total of $7,043.80 in the fund drive (PayPal only; other sources unknown), so Day 1 looks like it will be big.
Some choice comments from Day 0: See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1/Day_0
"Amazing. I've spent many many hours here over the last couple months learning about our world. Please keep it up!" by Sean Vaughan
"I wanted to be the first" by Daniel Wool (hi Danny!)
"I have learned so much from this site. I used to be frustrated because I couldn't read about things on sites like Encarta, but now I can and it's all here." by Anonymous
"I absolutely love Wikipedia, I have never donated to anything before but I gladly do to this!" by Anonymous
"WikiPeida rocks!" by David Ouziel
And my personal favorite:
"May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the underpants of your enemies" by Christopher J Hutten Czaps
Daniel Mayer, Wikimedia CFO
PS - there still is much translating work to do at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF/Fundraising_pages
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On Day 1 (Friday eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not available in UTC) we made $9,939.47 (USD equivalent) through a combination of PayPal and MoneyBookers.
PayPal breakdown: AUD 314.03 (247.27 USD) CAD 334.40 (271.58 USD) EUR 3413.75 (4464.75 USD) GBP 475.17 (899.77 USD) JPY 28340 (269 USD) USD 3424.63 Total 9576.78 (USD equivalent)
Moneybookers: $362.69 (USD equivalent)
For the most recent grand total and other details visit http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1
Some selected comments from Day 1: See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1/Day_1
"Knowledge isn't a possession - it cannot be monopolized." by Robert K Bell
"You guys rock!!" by Anonymous
"Fantastic system - best of luck from a Random Page addict" " by Steve Agland
"Wikipedia is Hope" by Anonymous
"Ignorance breeds fear, use information to gain knowledge and empower yourself with Peace" by Anonymous
"Wikipedia is a splendid way of sharing information. Lets do this!" by Anonymous
"You guys do a fantastic job!!!" by Guoming Sun
"You have helped me in college and in life. I don't have much money, and I've never given a donation. But if any cause is worthy, it is your own. Thank you" by Ryan Lewis
"Wikipedia, is there anything it can't do?" by Anonymous
"If you read this note, donate!" by Anonymous
"It's Not Much But Every Individual's Contribution Counts! What The Wiki Is All About!" by Anonymous
And my personal favorites:
"For not deleting at least some articles" by Vladimir Mozhenkov
"Wikipedia: Destroyer of productivity; love of my life." by Anonymous
"bonk" by Anonymous
Daniel Mayer, Wikimedia CFO
PS - Still plenty of translating to do at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF/Fundraising_pages
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On Day 2 (Saturday eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not available in UTC) we made $9257.65 (USD equivalent) through PayPal (no updates available for other sources at this time).
Day 2 Day 1 comparison Breakdown: USD equiv USD equiv %change PayPal AUD 326.13 256.80 247.27 + 3.85 CAD 211.78 172.00 271.58 -36.67 EUR 2354.98 3080.02 4464.75 -31.01 GBP 454.36 860.37 899.77 - 4.38 JPY 27182 257.80 269.00 - 4.16 USD 4888.47 4888.47 3424.63 +42.74 9257.65 9576.78 - 3.33
MoneyBookers no data 362.69 -100 ---------------------------------------------- Total 9257.65 9,939.47 -6.86
For the most recent grand total and other details visit http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1
Some selected comments from Day 2: See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1/Day_2
"A wonderful resource, which has already become the Amazon of online encyclopedias!" by Anonymous
"Wikipedia is what the internet was meant for: The building of a great information network" by Industrial Hypertext
"For one of the most exciting enterprises of mankind!" by Renato Cintra
"Wikipedia is my favorite site and an extreme benefit to the world" by Seth Weisberg
"Wikimedia captures the true spirit of the Internet, and is priceless for that." by Michael Herring
"Probably the most useful website in the world (and proof that wiki's work). Well done!" by Mr D A Whiting
"Continue doing your great work, I use wikipedia as much as google" by MetaFilter
"This model of information transfer will change humanity." by Anonymous
"What can I say? I owe half of what I know to the Wikipedia! Keep up the good work." by Jonathan Grose
Some of my favorites:
"Wikipedia is dangerous. It is free, it is fair, it is informative, it is fun. Nothing beats it. Nothing even comes close." by Christopher Hutten-Czapski
"much much less annoying than an NPR fundraising drive, which just makes me reach for a blank check to stuff into my ears" by Anonymous
"Because knowledge may be free, but servers are not." by Anonymous
"Free knowledge is even better than free porn." by Steve Guy
"What did we do before Wiki?" by Anonymous
Daniel Mayer, Wikimedia CFO
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I notice that we had a US$1000 contribution. Which got me thinking...
Do we / should we give recognition of significant contributions? My wife works for a university advancement office, and they have various ways of acknowledging significant contributions.
Many of these seem to be little more than stroking the donor's ego. But it is a well-accepted method of encouraging contributions from those who have money and like to have their ego's stroked.
Of course, $10 from one person may be far more significant (in a different sense) than $10,000 from another. There is probably no way for us to recognize these contributions.
What do you think?
-Rich Holton
en.wikipedia:User:Rholton
--- Richard Holton richholton@gmail.com wrote:
Do we / should we give recognition of significant contributions? My wife works for a university advancement office, and they have various ways of acknowledging significant contributions.
We have a benefactors page on the foundation wiki that could list people/organizations that donate at least a certain amount.
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Benefactors
-- mav
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Daniel Mayer wrote:
We have a benefactors page on the foundation wiki that could list people/organizations that donate at least a certain amount.
I'm awfully tempted to add a Malefactors page, but some people on this list might be offended. ;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On Day 2 (Saturday eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not available in UTC) we made $9257.65 (USD equivalent) through PayPal (no updates available for other sources at this time).
Day 2 Day 1 comparison Breakdown: USD equiv USD equiv %change PayPal AUD 326.13 256.80 247.27 + 3.85 CAD 211.78 172.00 271.58 -36.67 EUR 2354.98 3080.02 4464.75 -31.01 GBP 454.36 860.37 899.77 - 4.38 JPY 27182 257.80 269.00 - 4.16 USD 4888.47 4888.47 3424.63 +42.74 9257.65 9576.78 - 3.33
MoneyBookers no data 362.69 -100 ---------------------------------------------- Total 9257.65 9,939.47 -6.86
For the most recent grand total and other details visit http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1
Some selected comments from Day 2: See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1/Day_2
"A wonderful resource, which has already become the Amazon of online encyclopedias!" by Anonymous
"Wikipedia is what the internet was meant for: The building of a great information network" by Industrial Hypertext
"For one of the most exciting enterprises of mankind!" by Renato Cintra
"Wikipedia is my favorite site and an extreme benefit to the world" by Seth Weisberg
"Wikimedia captures the true spirit of the Internet, and is priceless for that." by Michael Herring
"Probably the most useful website in the world (and proof that wiki's work). Well done!" by Mr D A Whiting
"Continue doing your great work, I use wikipedia as much as google" by MetaFilter
"This model of information transfer will change humanity." by Anonymous
"What can I say? I owe half of what I know to the Wikipedia! Keep up the good work." by Jonathan Grose
Some of my favorites:
"Wikipedia is dangerous. It is free, it is fair, it is informative, it is fun. Nothing beats it. Nothing even comes close." by Christopher Hutten-Czapski
"much much less annoying than an NPR fundraising drive, which just makes me reach for a blank check to stuff into my ears" by Anonymous
"Because knowledge may be free, but servers are not." by Anonymous
"Free knowledge is even better than free porn." by Steve Guy
"What did we do before Wiki?" by Anonymous
Daniel Mayer, Wikimedia CFO
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Are we only getting comments in English? That doesn't seem right, considering how much of our donations were in Euros and Yen.
Does PayPal not accept any other currencies? Or are the numbers just too insignificant to include?
Mark
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:28:50 -0800 (PST), Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
On Day 2 (Saturday eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not available in UTC) we made $9257.65 (USD equivalent) through PayPal (no updates available for other sources at this time).
Day 2 Day 1 comparison Breakdown: USD equiv USD equiv %change PayPal AUD 326.13 256.80 247.27 + 3.85 CAD 211.78 172.00 271.58 -36.67 EUR 2354.98 3080.02 4464.75 -31.01 GBP 454.36 860.37 899.77 - 4.38 JPY 27182 257.80 269.00 - 4.16 USD 4888.47 4888.47 3424.63 +42.74 9257.65 9576.78 - 3.33
MoneyBookers no data 362.69 -100
Total 9257.65 9,939.47 -6.86
For the most recent grand total and other details visit http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1
Some selected comments from Day 2: See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1/Day_2
"A wonderful resource, which has already become the Amazon of online encyclopedias!" by Anonymous
"Wikipedia is what the internet was meant for: The building of a great information network" by Industrial Hypertext
"For one of the most exciting enterprises of mankind!" by Renato Cintra
"Wikipedia is my favorite site and an extreme benefit to the world" by Seth Weisberg
"Wikimedia captures the true spirit of the Internet, and is priceless for that." by Michael Herring
"Probably the most useful website in the world (and proof that wiki's work). Well done!" by Mr D A Whiting
"Continue doing your great work, I use wikipedia as much as google" by MetaFilter
"This model of information transfer will change humanity." by Anonymous
"What can I say? I owe half of what I know to the Wikipedia! Keep up the good work." by Jonathan Grose
Some of my favorites:
"Wikipedia is dangerous. It is free, it is fair, it is informative, it is fun. Nothing beats it. Nothing even comes close." by Christopher Hutten-Czapski
"much much less annoying than an NPR fundraising drive, which just makes me reach for a blank check to stuff into my ears" by Anonymous
"Because knowledge may be free, but servers are not." by Anonymous
"Free knowledge is even better than free porn." by Steve Guy
"What did we do before Wiki?" by Anonymous
Daniel Mayer, Wikimedia CFO
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:55:04 -0700, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Are we only getting comments in English? That doesn't seem right, considering how much of our donations were in Euros and Yen.
Does PayPal not accept any other currencies? Or are the numbers just too insignificant to include?
Mark
If you would glance at the detail page (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1/Day_2), you would see that there are numerous non-English comments as well as various currencies. Everything is converted to U.S. dollars, Paypal and the Foundation being based in the U.S. and whatnot.
--Slowking Man
*clears throat*
What I meant is, although undoubtedly they do exist, why are they excluded from the daily brief reports? Especially since the content of some should be fairly obvious to a monolingual English speaker.
And I know there are currencies other than USD. What I meant is, are there currencies other than USD, JPY, EUR, and CAN? If not, why? Having CAN among the four seems a bit strange to me if not Anglocentric - we have two for primarily English-speaking countries, but none for example for Chinese-speaking countries (ie, Yuan Renminbi, Singapore dollar, New Taiwanese Dollar, Malaysia dollar, etc), given that zh.wikipedia is currently the fastest-growing on the growth curve of all the larger Wikipedias (ie, it may be growing slower than en and de currently are, but it is growing faster than they were when they were at a similar period) and has 20k articles (most of the other top Wikipedias are languages spoken primarily in Euro countries)
Mark
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:01:51 -0800, Christopher Larberg christopherlarberg@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:55:04 -0700, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Are we only getting comments in English? That doesn't seem right, considering how much of our donations were in Euros and Yen.
Does PayPal not accept any other currencies? Or are the numbers just too insignificant to include?
Mark
If you would glance at the detail page (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1/Day_2), you would see that there are numerous non-English comments as well as various currencies. Everything is converted to U.S. dollars, Paypal and the Foundation being based in the U.S. and whatnot.
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Mark Williamson wrote:
And I know there are currencies other than USD. What I meant is, are there currencies other than USD, JPY, EUR, and CAN? If not, why? Having CAN among the four seems a bit strange to me if not Anglocentric - we have two for primarily English-speaking countries, but none for example for Chinese-speaking countries (ie, Yuan Renminbi, Singapore dollar, New Taiwanese Dollar, Malaysia dollar, etc), given that zh.wikipedia is currently the fastest-growing on the growth curve of all the larger Wikipedias (ie, it may be growing slower than en and de currently are, but it is growing faster than they were when they were at a similar period) and has 20k articles (most of the other top Wikipedias are languages spoken primarily in Euro countries)
If you took 10 seconds to google for "paypal currencies", you would find that the six currencies Mav is listing for the Paypal account are precisely the six currencies Paypal accepts payment in. If you're aware of any easy-to-set-up system that accepts donations denominated in other currencies, I'm sure it'd be welcomed.
As it is, it's perfectly possible to donate other currencies, so long as the donator has a way of converting. Only either the sender or receipient has to do the conversion, so between us accepting payment in six currencies, and many people having the ability to convert their money into one of those six, a large proportion of potential donators are covered. For example, we don't accept Icelandic Krona, but most Icelanders have credit cards, and those credit cards can make payments in Euros or US dollars.
(Accepting CNY may be a bit more of an issue, because China strictly controls the foreign-exchange market for its currency.)
-Mark
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:50:28 -0700, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
And I know there are currencies other than USD. What I meant is, are there currencies other than USD, JPY, EUR, and CAN? If not, why? Having CAN among the four seems a bit strange to me if not Anglocentric - we have two for primarily English-speaking countries, but none for example for Chinese-speaking countries (ie, Yuan Renminbi, Singapore dollar, New Taiwanese Dollar, Malaysia dollar, etc), given that zh.wikipedia is currently the fastest-growing on the growth curve of all the larger Wikipedias (ie, it may be growing slower than en and de currently are, but it is growing faster than they were when they were at a similar period) and has 20k articles (most of the other top Wikipedias are languages spoken primarily in Euro countries)
This is an issue of the hard realities of international banking, and not of political correctness.
Also, the yuan/RMB of the PRC is not a fully convertible currency.
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
From my experience GBP and AUD are more common in short lists than is
CDN for whatever reason.
The "hard realities of international banking" should warrant the exclusion of all currencies other than USD and EUR, should they not? Why the 4 other currencies? What a drag.
Yuan RMB may not be "fully convertible", but it's converted many times every day anyways.
Mark
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:53:44 +0800, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:50:28 -0700, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
And I know there are currencies other than USD. What I meant is, are there currencies other than USD, JPY, EUR, and CAN? If not, why? Having CAN among the four seems a bit strange to me if not Anglocentric - we have two for primarily English-speaking countries, but none for example for Chinese-speaking countries (ie, Yuan Renminbi, Singapore dollar, New Taiwanese Dollar, Malaysia dollar, etc), given that zh.wikipedia is currently the fastest-growing on the growth curve of all the larger Wikipedias (ie, it may be growing slower than en and de currently are, but it is growing faster than they were when they were at a similar period) and has 20k articles (most of the other top Wikipedias are languages spoken primarily in Euro countries)
This is an issue of the hard realities of international banking, and not of political correctness.
Also, the yuan/RMB of the PRC is not a fully convertible currency.
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
Mark Williamson wrote:
The "hard realities of international banking" should warrant the exclusion of all currencies other than USD and EUR, should they not? Why the 4 other currencies? What a drag.
You seem to be willfully dense here. We accept the other four because it takes us no effort to do so. We use Paypal, and Paypal accepts six currencies. There is absolutely no benefit to excluding four of them, since they come by default as part of Paypal's service. Adding additional currencies to Paypal, on the other hand, is rather difficult, unless you happen to be on the Paypal board of directors.
Yuan RMB may not be "fully convertible", but it's converted many times every day anyways.
It is very difficult to do unless you are a multi-million dollar corporation. There are controls on how and when Chinese citizens may convert money to foreign currency, and even more controls on when they may remove it from the country, and non-Chinese who visit the country are only allowed to convert to foreign currency when they leave exactly as much as they brought in with them in the first place (you must produce the original receipts or they won't let you exchange the CNY/RMB). Currency-exchange companies generally are not permitted to deal in the currency, which is part of why companies like Paypal don't accept it---they aren't allowed to.
You still have not pointed us to a credit-card processor that will accept payment to a US-based company in CNY/RMB and convert it to dollars, all for a relatively small fee (on par with Paypal's 3%). If you would do this, it would make it much easier to begin accepting CNY/RMB donations.
-Mark
http://www.paypalsucks.com/ http://www.paypalwarning.com/ http://www.aboutpaypal.org/
For an alternative see http://www.paypalwarning.com/alternatives but there are many other similar services that haven't had the same type of negative feedback, and I'm sure there is one that offers more currencies with a similar or lower surcharge for monetary exchange.
http://www.worldpay.com/ - I don't know about their rates, but they definitely accept more currencies than Paypal.
Mark
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:23:48 -0500, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
The "hard realities of international banking" should warrant the exclusion of all currencies other than USD and EUR, should they not? Why the 4 other currencies? What a drag.
You seem to be willfully dense here. We accept the other four because it takes us no effort to do so. We use Paypal, and Paypal accepts six currencies. There is absolutely no benefit to excluding four of them, since they come by default as part of Paypal's service. Adding additional currencies to Paypal, on the other hand, is rather difficult, unless you happen to be on the Paypal board of directors.
Yuan RMB may not be "fully convertible", but it's converted many times every day anyways.
It is very difficult to do unless you are a multi-million dollar corporation. There are controls on how and when Chinese citizens may convert money to foreign currency, and even more controls on when they may remove it from the country, and non-Chinese who visit the country are only allowed to convert to foreign currency when they leave exactly as much as they brought in with them in the first place (you must produce the original receipts or they won't let you exchange the CNY/RMB). Currency-exchange companies generally are not permitted to deal in the currency, which is part of why companies like Paypal don't accept it---they aren't allowed to.
You still have not pointed us to a credit-card processor that will accept payment to a US-based company in CNY/RMB and convert it to dollars, all for a relatively small fee (on par with Paypal's 3%). If you would do this, it would make it much easier to begin accepting CNY/RMB donations.
-Mark
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--- Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
For an alternative see http://www.paypalwarning.com/alternatives but there are many other similar services that haven't had the same type of negative feedback, and I'm sure there is one that offers more currencies with a similar or lower surcharge for monetary exchange.
We already have a MoneyBookers account that serves as an alternative. If you would have spent 2 seconds looking at the fundraising page, then you'd know that already. :)
We also are now a customer of a direct credit card payment processor. I'm not yet aware of all the currencies they accept, but Jimmy tells me that we should be able to go live with this within a month, perhaps even during the later part of the current fund drive.
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--- Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
What I meant is, although undoubtedly they do exist, why are they excluded from the daily brief reports? Especially since the content of some should be fairly obvious to a monolingual English speaker.
If I can't read it, I can't make a determination of its content, so I don't list it. You are welcome to post a follow-up email that selects other comments.
And I know there are currencies other than USD. What I meant is, are there currencies other than USD, JPY, EUR, and CAN? If not, why?
Because those are the only currencies that PayPal accepts.
-- mav
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As I said, "some should be fairly obvious to a monolingual English speaker".
For example, "Votre site est magnifique" is obviously not an inappropriate sexual reference but rather a compliment to the website.
Mark
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:14:55 -0800 (PST), Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
What I meant is, although undoubtedly they do exist, why are they excluded from the daily brief reports? Especially since the content of some should be fairly obvious to a monolingual English speaker.
If I can't read it, I can't make a determination of its content, so I don't list it. You are welcome to post a follow-up email that selects other comments.
And I know there are currencies other than USD. What I meant is, are there currencies other than USD, JPY, EUR, and CAN? If not, why?
Because those are the only currencies that PayPal accepts.
-- mav
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Mav,
In order to avoid picayune disputes over which comments you include/exclude form your daily summaries, I suggest you simply leave them out. Or make an exhaustive list. Otherwise, someone will always find some reason to object.
-Rich Holton
Richard Holton wrote:
Mav,
In order to avoid picayune disputes over which comments you include/exclude form your daily summaries, I suggest you simply leave them out. Or make an exhaustive list. Otherwise, someone will always find some reason to object.
-Rich Holton
Hoi, If some find a need to be negative, so be it. They will be known for it and accordingly their comments will be valued.
By providing some comments the text is less dry more palatable and therefore it is appropriate to spice them with some comments. I found the amusement value of these messages great. I do not need feel a need to see them all.
On an other subject, I was told that the text of the concept for ISO-639 next version was hard to find. So I send it to the gentleman who could not find it. If someone else is interested just drop me a line..
Thanks, GerardM
--- Richard Holton richholton@gmail.com wrote:
In order to avoid picayune disputes over which comments you include/exclude form your daily summaries, I suggest you simply leave them out. Or make an exhaustive list. Otherwise, someone will always find some reason to object.
Absolutely not. It is a very important feedback mechanism.
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--- Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Are we only getting comments in English? That doesn't seem right, considering how much of our donations were in Euros and Yen.
No - look at the link provided.
Does PayPal not accept any other currencies? Or are the numbers just too insignificant to include?
No - look at the fundraising page.
-- mav
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