Ulrich Fuchs wrote:
Wikimedia, on the other hand, would be the organization that actually *is the project* (not the service). That organization needs to be
- democratically organized
- global
- bound now and for all future to the common goal of creating free content
without paying authors or officials; however we must consider that there might be a need in the future to have employees, if the project get's Big with a capital B.
- allowing a country substructure for better fundraising and representation
- allowing a project substructure for setting project policies and
representation (these are two different things, it might be a necessary to speak for the *german language Wikipedia* at one time and for the *german Wikimedians" at another time
- organized in a way that these local chapters and subproject chapters form
the organization bottom up and not top down.
Currently, Wikimedia (the umbrella for the Wikipedia and other projects) is organized based on consensus, if you ignore the largely unused dictatorial powers. Consensus is not the same thing as democracy.
Wikimedia is already global. The various substructures are not fully developed yet, but they will be. We barely have the scaffolding of the superstructure itself at this point, with a not-fully-constituted Board. The rest will take a little time - consensus always takes time.
Wikimedia is bound to free content by the GFDL. The freedom is more important than the principle of democracy (which will be generally respected through the consensus process anyway, since so many of us believe in democratic government in some fashion).
I'm not sure if paying skilled authors for content is fundamentally objectionable, but the model suggests that it's unnecessary anyway. Other employees, including officials, might need to be paid for their services. The "Service Provider" would also be an employee in this sense.
I do agree that we need to consider how to ensure effective representation of different languages in the Wikimedia organization. Certainly the Board should not always consist only of English-speakers. Because of this issue, it seems that Wikimedia may eventually need to pay for some translation services. For now, perhaps bilingual members could bridge the gap.
--Michael Snow
Michael Snow wikipedia@earthlink.net writes:
Thanks for your bright words!
Wikimedia is bound to free content by the GFDL. The freedom is more important than the principle of democracy (which will be generally respected through the consensus process anyway, since so many of us believe in democratic government in some fashion).
I fully agree with you. That's the point - contents is protected by the GFDL, what might happen behind the scenes is interesting, but it is not that important. After all, democracy is a strong word and, sure, one must not put bad words on it, but in the end incarnations of democracy could be astonishing.
Democracy is good for political issues, not for writing an encyclopedia.
Michael Snow wrote:
Currently, Wikimedia (the umbrella for the Wikipedia and other projects) is organized based on consensus, if you ignore the largely unused dictatorial powers. Consensus is not the same thing as democracy.
Well, to be perfectly clear, the foundation itself is not organized based on consensus. It's organized based on me spending tons of money for several years to make this all happen, and my effort to carefully set this up as a public charity, and dictating how that's to be done by selecting board members and a process for member representation.
The projects of the foundation *are* based on consensus, of course, and I see no reason for us to contemplate any change to that.
--Jimbo
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