Hi all,
Currently there is a sysop election on mowiki, where 3 candidates are pitted against each other rather than being voted on separately: Me, Dmitriid, and Jeorjika.
I have 131 contributions in the main namespace, Dmitriid has 10, and Jeorjika has 0.
Now, there are a number of issues here which I wish to consult with the wider community over.
First of all, who is allowed to vote.
As it stands now, everybody who has already "expressed an opinion" about the Wikipedia may vote. The majority of people who have "expressed an opinion" are ro.wikipedians, with a minority of Moldovans and others (including people such as Oleg Alexandrov, Landroni, Dmitriid, Jeorjika, Gabix who are Moldovans, OldakQuill, Monedula, who are from elsewhere).
This has always seemed unfair to me, since most of these people have less than 10 contributions total, and only a few of them have any contributions in the main namespace.
When suggesting that only people with a certain number of contributions prior to a certain date (say, 10) be allowed to vote, I was labelled as antidemocratic. When an "outsider", Christopher Sundita, attempted to vote, his vote was deleted on the grounds that he had not previously "expressed his opinion".
To be perfectly clear, the main issues in this election are unreasonable and have nothing really to do with sysops. Currently, it has been painted by one user, Goie (whose total contributions to ALL Wikipedias are small), as more of an election for president.
It seems that those who are against the existance of mo.wikipedia are voting for Jeorjika, while those who understand that these elections are for "janitors" rather than "presidents" seem to be planning to vote for me (notably, Oleg Alexandrov and OldakQuill).
Currently, there are over 200 articles on the Moldovan Wikipedia. Jeorjika said, in his campaign, that "under node", the Moldovan Wikipedia hasn't progressed fast enough (!). Apparently, it is the responsibility of the sysop to make sure that a Wikipedia grows at a certain rate, or else... sort of like Speed 3: Wikipedia.
The main issue seems to me that the criteria of who can vote, and who cannot, are difficult to determine. Of course, it's best to always let the community handle such things, but in this case it's not clear who is and isn't part of the community -- most of the people who are eligible to vote have not made even a tiny peep on this Wikipedia for months, while I, Gabix, and a few dedicated anons have written articles.
Mark
Well, as you can see by http://mo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ronline/Alegeri_pentru_admini... , apparently the total length of the vote is 2 days (!).
In addition to the other strange things going on, Mihaitza has suddenly decided that the vote was only to last for 2 days.
Mark
On 01/10/05, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Currently there is a sysop election on mowiki, where 3 candidates are pitted against each other rather than being voted on separately: Me, Dmitriid, and Jeorjika.
I have 131 contributions in the main namespace, Dmitriid has 10, and Jeorjika has 0.
Now, there are a number of issues here which I wish to consult with the wider community over.
First of all, who is allowed to vote.
As it stands now, everybody who has already "expressed an opinion" about the Wikipedia may vote. The majority of people who have "expressed an opinion" are ro.wikipedians, with a minority of Moldovans and others (including people such as Oleg Alexandrov, Landroni, Dmitriid, Jeorjika, Gabix who are Moldovans, OldakQuill, Monedula, who are from elsewhere).
This has always seemed unfair to me, since most of these people have less than 10 contributions total, and only a few of them have any contributions in the main namespace.
When suggesting that only people with a certain number of contributions prior to a certain date (say, 10) be allowed to vote, I was labelled as antidemocratic. When an "outsider", Christopher Sundita, attempted to vote, his vote was deleted on the grounds that he had not previously "expressed his opinion".
To be perfectly clear, the main issues in this election are unreasonable and have nothing really to do with sysops. Currently, it has been painted by one user, Goie (whose total contributions to ALL Wikipedias are small), as more of an election for president.
It seems that those who are against the existance of mo.wikipedia are voting for Jeorjika, while those who understand that these elections are for "janitors" rather than "presidents" seem to be planning to vote for me (notably, Oleg Alexandrov and OldakQuill).
Currently, there are over 200 articles on the Moldovan Wikipedia. Jeorjika said, in his campaign, that "under node", the Moldovan Wikipedia hasn't progressed fast enough (!). Apparently, it is the responsibility of the sysop to make sure that a Wikipedia grows at a certain rate, or else... sort of like Speed 3: Wikipedia.
The main issue seems to me that the criteria of who can vote, and who cannot, are difficult to determine. Of course, it's best to always let the community handle such things, but in this case it's not clear who is and isn't part of the community -- most of the people who are eligible to vote have not made even a tiny peep on this Wikipedia for months, while I, Gabix, and a few dedicated anons have written articles.
Mark
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2005/10/1, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
Hi all,
Currently there is a sysop election on mowiki, where 3 candidates are pitted against each other rather than being voted on separately: Me, Dmitriid, and Jeorjika.
This I find a strange situation. Especially when there is a situation with different parties, the best solution seems to be to have representers of all sides be made sysops rather than vote between them (unless there is a comromise candidate acceptable for all).
Could you perhaps try to resolve the situation by promising that if you get elected, you will nominate the other candidates for sysophood as well, and ask them to make a similar promise in return?
-- Andre Engels, andreengels@gmail.com ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels
Yes, an adversarial system does seem to be quite strange.
I am actually already sysop, having requested it for interface translation months ago.
While I'm sure Dmitriid would have no problem nominating either me or Jeorjika, and I would have no problem nominating either, I'm not sure Jeorjika would nominate me as the whole purpose of his campaign seems to have been to replace me because of my alleged hatred for Romanians, and my failure to "satisfy the community", despite the fact that there _is_ no community.
Mark
On 02/10/05, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
2005/10/1, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
Hi all,
Currently there is a sysop election on mowiki, where 3 candidates are pitted against each other rather than being voted on separately: Me, Dmitriid, and Jeorjika.
This I find a strange situation. Especially when there is a situation with different parties, the best solution seems to be to have representers of all sides be made sysops rather than vote between them (unless there is a comromise candidate acceptable for all).
Could you perhaps try to resolve the situation by promising that if you get elected, you will nominate the other candidates for sysophood as well, and ask them to make a similar promise in return?
-- Andre Engels, andreengels@gmail.com ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels
-- SI HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES QVANTVM MATERIAE MATERIETVR MARMOTA MONAX SI MARMOTA MONAX MATERIAM POSSIT MATERIARI ESTNE VOLVMEN IN TOGA AN SOLVM TIBI LIBET ME VIDERE
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