I have been banned due to my efforts at [[Saddam Hussein]], where I have been attempting to (at the very least) leave a notice that it is highly inappropriate and offensive to refer to him as "Saddam". I have been banned without warning or justification.
In addition, my vote at [[Requests for adminship]] was deleted -- this is clear evidence of the cabal at work.
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Why is that insulting? What is the custom?
Fred
From: asda asdas wikipediaban@yahoo.com Reply-To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:48:28 -0700 (PDT) To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] I have been banned unfairly
I have been banned due to my efforts at [[Saddam Hussein]], where I have been attempting to (at the very least) leave a notice that it is highly inappropriate and offensive to refer to him as "Saddam". I have been banned without warning or justification.
In addition, my vote at [[Requests for adminship]] was deleted -- this is clear evidence of the cabal at work.
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Ralesk Ne'vennoyx schrieb:
I guess this is simply that you also don’t call George Bush “George” or Medgyessy Péter just “Péter” in a document such as an encyclopaedia.
The equivalent would be more or less writing "George Bush" versus "George Walker Bush", nor?
Mathias
On Jun 4, 2004, at 2:56 PM, Mathias Schindler wrote:
Ralesk Ne'vennoyx schrieb:
I guess this is simply that you also don’t call George Bush “George” or Medgyessy Péter just “Péter” in a document such as an encyclopaedia.
The equivalent would be more or less writing "George Bush" versus "George Walker Bush", nor?
"George" is also rarely mispronounced in such a way as to be confused with a term sometimes related to anal sex, which seems to be part of the problem mentioned in the edit wars (Sodom vs Saddam).
In a related note, many western speakers can't seem to pronounce Iraq properly, coming up with something that sounds like 'Aye-rack' rather than 'Uir-uk'.
I'm guessing that the (sometimes seliberate) mispronunciation, derogatory tone, and lack of the usage of proper title are combining to offend the particular user who is complaining.
-Bop
Ronald Chmara wrote:
In a related note, many western speakers can't seem to pronounce Iraq properly, coming up with something that sounds like 'Aye-rack' rather than 'Uir-uk'.
Interesting.
I have only heard it as /I'ra:k/ from Anglophone people (and here I don't know what kind of r to be put there in SAMPA, so forgive me that). Hungarians write the country name as "Irak" and pronounce it /'irAk/.
I have never heard it as /ai'rak/, /ai'r{k/ or anything similar.
Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
Interesting.
I have only heard it as /I'ra:k/ from Anglophone people (and here I don't know what kind of r to be put there in SAMPA, so forgive me that). Hungarians write the country name as "Irak" and pronounce it /'irAk/.
I have never heard it as /ai'rak/, /ai'r{k/ or anything similar.
I am not sure if it counts, but Iraq in Arabic is pronouced closer to /ai'rak/ .. The First letter in Iraq is ayn (check [[Arabic alphabet]]).. Anyhow, I don't think that it is insulting to call [[Saddam]] in his first name, after all, many of the monements in Iraq that was build in his ira was called Saddam something, Like Saddam City (now called Sadr City) and others. So, if he accept that he is refered to as Saddam, then that is enough.
Sorry, I know this is not the article talk page :)
Yours Isam Bayazidi
It is the American journalistic custom to use the last name during the body of discussion of a person whose name is set forth in full previously. It appears that Saddam is actually his name while his father's name was Hussein. Using the name Hussein would be confusing as it is also the name of the Jordanian royal family and indeed a number of other lines descended from Mohammed.
I was hoping some Arabic customary usage would surface that we could all use in the future.
Fred
From: "Ralesk Ne'vennoyx" ralesk@livejournal.com Reply-To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:52:13 +0200 To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] I have been banned unfairly
Fred Bauder wrote:
Why is that insulting? What is the custom?
I guess this is simply that you also don¹t call George Bush ³George² or Medgyessy Péter just ³Péter² in a document such as an encyclopaedia. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
----- Original Message ----- From: asda asdas wikipediaban@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Wikipedia-l] I have been banned unfairly To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org I have been banned due to my efforts at [[Saddam Hussein]], where I have been attempting to (at the very least) leave a notice that it is highly inappropriate and offensive to refer to him as "Saddam". I have been banned without warning or justification. In addition, my vote at [[Requests for adminship]] was deleted -- this is clear evidence of the cabal at work.
Hello again. I suppose you don't want me to talk to you. Too bad. * You're not helping your cause. * Others should note your activities and discussion thereof at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_review_of_administrative... * I have your conversations in #wikipedia at http://eh.net/fennec/foo.log ** People who wish to respond to this discussion should probably read those pages first lest they make arguments without all the relevant information.
Anyway, you should have left a note on the talk page, not the article. - ~~~~
(wiki syntax in mail, whee!!!)
Free Wikipedians,
I have checked Special:Allpages page, and discovered the followin tag:
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow" />
And this may negatively impact rank of Wikipedia in different search engines. Could anyone explain me why this tag is put there? Is it possible to remove it?
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/=- Vladimir V. "Dr Bug" Medeiko
On Jun 4, 2004, at 2:56 PM, Vladimir V. Medeiko wrote:
I have checked Special:Allpages page, and discovered the followin tag:
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow" />
And this may negatively impact rank of Wikipedia in different search engines. Could anyone explain me why this tag is put there? Is it possible to remove it?
It's there because it's silly for Google to index Special:Allpages, since it's just a list of pages. It's useful for Google to follow the links though, to index the articles it points to (which is all of them).
Peter
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Free Wikipedians,
I have checked Special:Allpages page, and discovered the followin tag:
<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow" />
And this may negatively impact rank of Wikipedia in different search engines. Could anyone explain me why this tag is put there? Is it possible to remove it?
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/=- Vladimir V. "Dr Bug" Medeiko
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