Your "success" with Seeltersk?? Are you kidding? The Test Wikipedia has 0 articles, and there is no hint of support from native speakers.
Did I claim I had success in /building/ a wikipedia? I meant I had success in contacting scolars and, yes, in attracting native speakers. You expected me to have already built something, but that was too optimistic. With such a small language, spoken particularly by elder people, you can't expect the rise of a wikipedia within one week. Moreover, I was quite busy over the last months, and only recently the first real efforts towards building a Seeltersk wikipedia were done at all. If I intended tio say that I had success with /building/ a Seeltersk test-wp, I'd have said that.
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Whatever success you have had, you have not indicated.
I know from experience that if people are serious, they will be willing to work on it right away - the people who say "I may work on it someday" or "I will work on it after so-and-so date" are the people who end up never helping.
Regardless of who speaks it, it has been much longer than "one week", and there has been 0 signs of activity. I don't expect a thousand-article Wikipedia, but I think the community expects some measure of success (at least 10 or so good articles by native speakers) or at least one on-list endorsement by a fluent speaker (if you have more than one, people will listen more).
It has been a long time. I think - and I'm sure the community agrees, or feels more strict than do I - that you should withhold a request for a North Frisian Wikipedia until you can meet at least one of the things I've outlined above.
If these people are motivated, you should be able to get them to support your Seeltersk request on-list, or add content to the test WP.
Mark
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Your "success" with Seeltersk?? Are you kidding? The Test Wikipedia has 0 articles, and there is no hint of support from native speakers.
Did I claim I had success in /building/ a wikipedia? I meant I had success in contacting scolars and, yes, in attracting native speakers. You expected me to have already built something, but that was too optimistic. With such a small language, spoken particularly by elder people, you can't expect the rise of a wikipedia within one week. Moreover, I was quite busy over the last months, and only recently the first real efforts towards building a Seeltersk wikipedia were done at all. If I intended tio say that I had success with /building/ a Seeltersk test-wp, I'd have said that.
Wouter
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It has been a long time. I think - and I'm sure the community agrees, or feels more strict than do I - that you should withhold a request for a North Frisian Wikipedia until you can meet at least one of the things I've outlined above.
That is, unless you attract support from native speakers on-list in the mean time.
Mark
Whatever success you have had, you have not indicated.
I know from experience that if people are serious, they will be willing to work on it right away - the people who say "I may work on it someday" or "I will work on it after so-and-so date" are the people who end up never helping.
Regardless of who speaks it, it has been much longer than "one week", and there has been 0 signs of activity. I don't expect a thousand-article Wikipedia, but I think the community expects some measure of success (at least 10 or so good articles by native speakers) or at least one on-list endorsement by a fluent speaker (if you have more than one, people will listen more).
It has been a long time. I think - and I'm sure the community agrees, or feels more strict than do I - that you should withhold a request for a North Frisian Wikipedia until you can meet at least one of the things I've outlined above.
If these people are motivated, you should be able to get them to support your Seeltersk request on-list, or add content to the test WP.
Mark, I am talking about elderly people, who are -thank God- connected to the internet, but read no English (yes, you're reading it rightly!) and have no experience with wikis or whatsoever. So I have to translate the interface and other structure files and explain how how it all works before they can show their existence on wikimedia at all.
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I am under the impression that at least a couple of them are not elderly, and that there are definitely for example university professors who speak teh language fluently.
In addition, I was sure these people spoke German fluently. Why couldn't you start with a German interface, like the Bambara wikipedia started with a French interface?
Mark
On 10/05/05, Wouter Steenbeek musiqolog@hotmail.com wrote:
Whatever success you have had, you have not indicated.
I know from experience that if people are serious, they will be willing to work on it right away - the people who say "I may work on it someday" or "I will work on it after so-and-so date" are the people who end up never helping.
Regardless of who speaks it, it has been much longer than "one week", and there has been 0 signs of activity. I don't expect a thousand-article Wikipedia, but I think the community expects some measure of success (at least 10 or so good articles by native speakers) or at least one on-list endorsement by a fluent speaker (if you have more than one, people will listen more).
It has been a long time. I think - and I'm sure the community agrees, or feels more strict than do I - that you should withhold a request for a North Frisian Wikipedia until you can meet at least one of the things I've outlined above.
If these people are motivated, you should be able to get them to support your Seeltersk request on-list, or add content to the test WP.
Mark, I am talking about elderly people, who are -thank God- connected to the internet, but read no English (yes, you're reading it rightly!) and have no experience with wikis or whatsoever. So I have to translate the interface and other structure files and explain how how it all works before they can show their existence on wikimedia at all.
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I am under the impression that at least a couple of them are not elderly, and that there are definitely for example university professors who speak teh language fluently.
Yes, you're right. And I try very hard to find those younger ones. And a scholar has also been found: Pyt Kramer, native Westlauwer Frisian speaker, who a.o. composed a dictionary and maintains some sites on and in Seeltersk. He is unfimiliar with the wiki nature but very willing to contribute, and he has contacted in turn some native speakers. We have a lively correspondence. I do need his expertise in my attempt to create a Seeltersk wikipedia.
In addition, I was sure these people spoke German fluently. Why couldn't you start with a German interface, like the Bambara wikipedia started with a French interface?
Yes, you're right. They speak German fluently, and I'll use German files. But don't forget I'm an informatics nitwit. Just need some time to get it right. And once again, I need a lot of time and have some more things to do.
Wouter
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Wouter Steenbeek wrote:
I am under the impression that at least a couple of them are not elderly, and that there are definitely for example university professors who speak teh language fluently.
Yes, you're right. And I try very hard to find those younger ones. And a scholar has also been found: Pyt Kramer, native Westlauwer Frisian speaker, who a.o. composed a dictionary and maintains some sites on and in Seeltersk. He is unfimiliar with the wiki nature but very willing to contribute, and he has contacted in turn some native speakers. We have a lively correspondence. I do need his expertise in my attempt to create a Seeltersk wikipedia.
Hoi, I read that Pyt Kramer wrote a dictionary in Seeltersk. I would be very happy to host this wiktionary in the Ultimate Wiktionary. Would you please introduce this idea to him or, could you introduce me to him??
Thanks, GerardM
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