One thing I noticed on another wiki(running a perl version of wiki) was the implementation of subpages. For example, you have page "Rants" and on that page is the link code [[/MyRants]]. MyRants then becomes a subpage of Rants and is linked via /Rants/MyRants. Has anyone implemented this in Wikipedia?
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On 11/30/02 2:19 AM, "Jason "Rodzilla" Rodzik" rodzilla@seriouszone.com wrote:
One thing I noticed on another wiki(running a perl version of wiki) was the implementation of subpages. For example, you have page "Rants" and on that page is the link code [[/MyRants]]. MyRants then becomes a subpage of Rants and is linked via /Rants/MyRants. Has anyone implemented this in Wikipedia?
Wikipedia started with the UseMod code (the one you're talking about) and used to have that functionality. It was removed about a year ago...there's plenty of historical discussion on subpages and slash-subpages on meta.wikipedia.org.
Er...why was it removed?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Cunctator" cunctator@kband.com To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Subpages
On 11/30/02 2:19 AM, "Jason "Rodzilla" Rodzik" rodzilla@seriouszone.com wrote:
One thing I noticed on another wiki(running a perl version of wiki) was
the
implementation of subpages. For example, you have page "Rants" and on
that
page is the link code [[/MyRants]]. MyRants then becomes a subpage of
Rants
and is linked via /Rants/MyRants. Has anyone implemented this in
Wikipedia?
Wikipedia started with the UseMod code (the one you're talking about) and used to have that functionality. It was removed about a year ago...there's plenty of historical discussion on subpages and slash-subpages on meta.wikipedia.org.
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Jason "Rodzilla" Rodzik wrote:
Er...why was it removed?
Take a look through the old discussions, such as at:
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_case_against_subpages
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_I_am_suspicious_of_subpages
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_rid_of_subpages_entirely
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_commentary_Save_the_subpages
(Note that many of the links in the above pages are broken as they were moved bodily from the English-language encyclopedia wiki to the meta-discussion wiki.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Has anyone added this back in for their own personal use? Sure some people might hate them, but they're still useful for keeping things organized and having links such as /Part 1, /Part 2, /Changelog, etc...
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brion VIBBER" brion@pobox.com To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Subpages
Jason "Rodzilla" Rodzik wrote:
Er...why was it removed?
Take a look through the old discussions, such as at:
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_case_against_subpages
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_I_am_suspicious_of_subpages
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_rid_of_subpages_entirely
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_commentary_Save_the_subpages
(Note that many of the links in the above pages are broken as they were moved bodily from the English-language encyclopedia wiki to the meta-discussion wiki.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:17:21AM -0500, Jason Rodzilla Rodzik wrote:
Has anyone added this back in for their own personal use? Sure some people might hate them, but they're still useful for keeping things organized and having links such as /Part 1, /Part 2, /Changelog, etc...
Subpages are useful for "private" things, but I don't see why the / should be any sort of special character, and I don't see what special support is needed; the current flat namespace code accomodates the subpages about as well as I would like right now.
Jonathan
On 11/30/02 11:48 AM, "Jonathan Walther" krooger@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:17:21AM -0500, Jason Rodzilla Rodzik wrote:
Has anyone added this back in for their own personal use? Sure some people might hate them, but they're still useful for keeping things organized and having links such as /Part 1, /Part 2, /Changelog, etc...
Subpages are useful for "private" things, but I don't see why the / should be any sort of special character, and I don't see what special support is needed; the current flat namespace code accomodates the subpages about as well as I would like right now.
However it's implemented, the subpage magic was very useful for creating and linking subordinate pages. There's isn't any similar way to easily create subordinate pages.
I think it would be reasonable to return the subpage magic to the user namespace.
I see no reason not to include it. If people don't like it, just don't use it. It does have a useful purpose, allowing you to make pages that are under another page(such as /Changes, /Ideas, /Rants, etc...) without running into a problem where you have a page named Page_1_Rants and Page_2_Rants and so on..
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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Cunctator" cunctator@kband.com To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Subpages
On 11/30/02 11:48 AM, "Jonathan Walther" krooger@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:17:21AM -0500, Jason Rodzilla Rodzik wrote:
Has anyone added this back in for their own personal use? Sure some
people
might hate them, but they're still useful for keeping things organized
and
having links such as /Part 1, /Part 2, /Changelog, etc...
Subpages are useful for "private" things, but I don't see why the / should be any sort of special character, and I don't see what special support is needed; the current flat namespace code accomodates the subpages about as well as I would like right now.
However it's implemented, the subpage magic was very useful for creating
and
linking subordinate pages. There's isn't any similar way to easily create subordinate pages.
I think it would be reasonable to return the subpage magic to the user namespace.
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 02:05:43PM -0500, Jason Rodzilla Rodzik wrote:
I see no reason not to include it. If people don't like it, just don't use it. It does have a useful purpose, allowing you to make pages that are under another page(such as /Changes, /Ideas, /Rants, etc...) without running into a problem where you have a page named Page_1_Rants and Page_2_Rants and so on..
I guess I just don't see that as a problem. Also, adding in new code to the codebase for no good reason enhances the complexity, potential bugs, slows things down, and for no real benefit.
Jonathan
well done to whoever thought of this one. I didn't get it at first -- but then it dawned on me how useful this is -- each time you click on it you get only changes you haven't seen yet. the best thing is this: when you sign off from the pedia, go to your open RC page, and drag that link up to the bookmarks bar. You now have a link to pick up exactly where you left off ready for next time you log on.
cool stuff! :-)
As a possible alternative to implementing this on wikipedia.org, would anyone be willing to work on implementing this on your own and distributing the code changes, but not implementing it in CVS?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Walther" krooger@debian.org To: wikipedia-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Subpages
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