A "Wikimedia" in Europa can be useful I think but is it really necessary to setup different organizations for all the countrys?
There is the European Union. What is the problem to create one Wikimedia organization for all the members of the European Union?
[[nl:gebruiker:Walter]]
Hi,
A "Wikimedia" in Europa can be useful I think but is it really necessary to setup different organizations for all the countrys?
There is the European Union. What is the problem to create one Wikimedia organization for all the members of the European Union?
[[nl:gebruiker:Walter]]
It would technically be possible to create a Wikimedia in Europe. However in all practical matters, language is the problem. by example, for me, dealing with legal and administrative matters in French is already not so easy, I can't imagine to have to do that in another language.
And most real work is done at the national level, not at the European level. However, I would be delighted to have a European meeting of Wikimedia project contributors. We are thinking to have one in Paris.
But we are translating the French project in English in order than most people can understand.
Yann
Yann Forget wrote:
However, I would be delighted to have a European meeting of Wikimedia project contributors. We are thinking to have one in Paris.
Please make a bit of promotion in the other "European" communities for the Wizards of OS 3 in Berlin on June 10-12, 2004: http://www.mikro.org/Events/OS/wos2/konzept-e.htm
Jimbo will be there and Erik is organizing a panel called "Wikipedia and friends": http://wiki.wizards-of-os.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Wikipedia_And_Friends
We're also thinking about a Wikipedia mini conference on the WOS3. It would be great if some people from the other "European" communities could visit us and talk about their communities.
Kurt
I am very enthusiastic about Kurt's suggestion here, and I propose that we set this date as well for the founding of a German organization of some sort, as determined after our inquiry into the finer points of German law and a consideration of the possibilities open to us.
I am personally planning to spend some vacation time in Berlin and Munich, and if I can find suitable arrangements, I would like to stay in Europe for much longer, possibly as much as a month or two, with the primary purpose of working with Europeans on Wikimedia stuff.
Kurt Jansson wrote:
Please make a bit of promotion in the other "European" communities for the Wizards of OS 3 in Berlin on June 10-12, 2004: http://www.mikro.org/Events/OS/wos2/konzept-e.htm
Jimbo will be there and Erik is organizing a panel called "Wikipedia and friends": http://wiki.wizards-of-os.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Wikipedia_And_Friends
We're also thinking about a Wikipedia mini conference on the WOS3. It would be great if some people from the other "European" communities could visit us and talk about their communities.
Hi Jimbo,
I am very enthusiastic about Kurt's suggestion here, and I propose that we set this date as well for the founding of a German organization of some sort, as determined after our inquiry into the finer points of German law and a consideration of the possibilities open to us.
I am personally planning to spend some vacation time in Berlin and Munich, and if I can find suitable arrangements, I would like to stay in Europe for much longer, possibly as much as a month or two, with the primary purpose of working with Europeans on Wikimedia stuff.
I was asked to do a presentation of Wikipedia to the World Free Software Meeting in Bordeaux, south-west of France, in July. Could you come? cf. http://lsm2004.abul.org/rubrique2.html (the site is not active at this time). I was thinking to invite Brion...
Yann
Yann Forget wrote:
I was asked to do a presentation of Wikipedia to the World Free Software Meeting in Bordeaux, south-west of France, in July. Could you come? cf. http://lsm2004.abul.org/rubrique2.html (the site is not active at this time). I was thinking to invite Brion...
I will be in Berlin in early June, and my plans beyond that are unsettled. But yes, I would like to attend something like that, esp. in Bordeaux, which would be a pleasant place to visit in any event! If I can find a way to arrange things so that I can work in Europe while visiting various places for events like this, I would be delighted.
--Jimbo
Am Freitag, 23. Januar 2004 11:48 schrieb Walter Vermeir:
A "Wikimedia" in Europa can be useful I think but is it really necessary to setup different organizations for all the countrys?
Because there is no such thing as a European law in effect. Laws by the European parliament have to be adopted by the member states. In the end, an association in Europe must always be an association in a particular country. If we found something in France, it will be already difficult for german contributors to donor funds there and get a tax exemption, because that is - I guess - only possible if you donor to a german organization and so on. If we found something in the UK, bank transfers will be especially expensive, because this is a non-Euro currency. Vice versa, if UK people want to transfer mony to a bank account e.g. in the Netherlands. Furthermore, you need to organize things like board meetings - it's already hard for us to get enough contributing people from Germany together in Berlin, you can imagine how hard it will be to get the contributing people from all over Europe together in Paris or Rome...
So we need a bottom-up approach. We need local organizations in each country, they should join in some way in an European roof organization (so only member delegates and not members must physically meet for the european association), and that european association again should be a member (if that's the right term) of the Wikimedia foundation. But allow the things to grow - we must start somewhere at the bottom, that's what we are doing right now.
Uli
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