BUT PLEASE: No anchors adressable from outside! There is nearly no
difference to subpages.
I think I understand your point, but I don't follow your argument. Accessibility from outside was never an important problem with subpages. The key problem with subpages is that they created a "hardcoded" link hierarchy, and that they create ambigous and overlaping logical namespaces. Should Chess be it's own article, or should it be Boardgames/Chess, or Strategy games/Chess? It's not at all obvious that allowing HTML anchors would create these problems.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'd like to be able to see how --exactly-- anchors are "nearly indistinguishable" from subpages. If you see this more clearly than I, could you please explain it to me.
Yours Mark Christensen
BUT PLEASE: No anchors adressable from outside! There is nearly no
difference to subpages.
I think I understand your point,
That's good :-)
but I don't follow your argument. Accessibility from outside was never an important problem with
subpages.
The key problem with subpages is that they created a "hardcoded" link hierarchy, and that they create ambigous and overlaping logical namespaces. Should Chess be it's own article, or should it be Boardgames/Chess, or Strategy games/Chess? It's not at all obvious
that
allowing HTML anchors would create these problems.
Okay, that another (maybe even more important) argument against subpages. But we could have kept all the Articlename/History pages then (an others where the subpage is _only_ related to the subjetpage).
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'd like to be able to see how --exactly-- anchors are "nearly indistinguishable" from subpages. If you see this more clearly than I, could you please explain it to me.
I'll try :-) First I just had a bad feeling then I heard of the idea, because in most suggestions they even looked like subpages. Than I started thinking why. My main point is: They make the Wikipedia-web more static. You don't know if there are links from outside to a certain anchor word, so you'll think twice before changing the text. But if you do so you need a "which pages link to this anchor word" function to correct all pages that point to the word. Maybe it's a bit easier if only heading can be anchors, but you might want to change them, too - or even restructure the whole article. Maybe we'll need anchors that redirect to other anchors. And a "most wanted anchor" function. Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating now, but I hope this was a bit clearer.
Could someone with better English write an article on meta: "Why anchors are evil"? - Of course after we have discussed this out.
But maybe I'm too pesimistic and it would be a great feature. But I have a really bad feeling about it.
Kurt
--- Mark Christensen mchristensen@humantech.com wrote:
BUT PLEASE: No anchors adressable from outside!
There is nearly no difference to subpages.
I think I understand your point, but I don't follow your argument. Accessibility from outside was never an important problem with subpages. The key problem with subpages is that they created a "hardcoded" link hierarchy, and that they create ambigous and overlaping logical namespaces. Should Chess be it's own article, or should it be Boardgames/Chess, or Strategy games/Chess? It's not at all obvious that allowing HTML anchors would create these problems.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'd like to be able to see how --exactly-- anchors are "nearly indistinguishable" from subpages. If you see this more clearly than I, could you please explain it to me.
I don't see the "anchors are subpages" argument either. I'm reworking the FAQ, and I was wishing for anchors so that I could create a clickable index of questions. Spinning each individual question into a separate page is a bad idea.
Stephen G.
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