Michael Irwin, Ray Saintonge and Fred Bauder, thank you for checking this out. I came across the missing article, when I added him to the article on German expulsion after World War II. It was not only a stub, but a far size article, at least when I last saw it. This was quite a while ago.
Thank you ,Jimmmy Wales, for writing a new article.
While I looked Reece up on google, I came across information about the committee he worked on and text of an article 'Tax Exempt Subversion' http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/reeceart.htm
This mentions the problems with the Communists infiltrating America and I would like to have someone read this and tell me, if any of this should be mentioned in wiki.
The coincidence is such, that not only the B. Carroll Reece article disappeared without a trace (?) , but my stubs or articles in progress about Communists in America also seem to be gone.
Does wiki have a file for deleated topics, or is it just gone, once it is deleated?
H. Jonat
On Sat, 2002-09-07 at 01:14, Helga Hecht wrote:
While I looked Reece up on google, I came across information about the committee he worked on and text of an article 'Tax Exempt Subversion' http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/reeceart.htm
This mentions the problems with the Communists infiltrating America and I would like to have someone read this and tell me, if any of this should be mentioned in wiki.
As a student of modern American history, i'd say this is an *extremely* biased and unreliable source so far as American communism goes. Note that the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee was one of the principal organs of government responsible for the policy trend known as "McCarthyism". The information on this page should not be considered reliable and impartial in terms of writing about communism in America. It would be somewhat valuable in terms of an article about Reece himself, however.
Helga Hecht wrote:
The coincidence is such, that not only the B. Carroll Reece article disappeared without a trace (?) , but my stubs or articles in progress about
Communists in
America also seem to be gone.
Maveric moved your [[American Communists]] stub to the meta wiki, you can find it here: http://meta.wikipedia.com/wiki.phtml?title=American_Communists
Does wiki have a file for deleated topics, or is it just gone, once it is deleated?
Depends on when it was deleted; the current version of the database has periodic backups back to July 30 (the Reece article doesn't appear in any of them), and for relatively recent deletions there's also an archive table in the database which stores deleted articles (but doesn't contain the Reece article).
Oddly enough, Reece also doesn't appear in the phase II deletion log[1] (February 28 through July 19) or the phase III deletion logs[2].
So, who _did_ delete it, and when?
[1] http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Old_deletion_log [2] http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_log (see history for prior to August 15)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
At 08:14 AM 9/7/02 +0800, you wrote:
While I looked Reece up on google, I came across information about the
committee he worked on and text of an article 'Tax Exempt Subversion'
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/reeceart.htm
This mentions the problems with the Communists infiltrating America and I
would like to have someone read this and tell me, if any of this should be mentioned in wiki.
[M}y stubs or articles in progress about Communists in America also seem
to be gone.
H. Jonat
Deleted too. A little different dynamic operating here though. The source you mention comes from the McCarthy era and seemingly, so does your level of understanding. The communist movement did infiltrate labor unions, churches, the boy scouts, and probably foundations, and created front organizations. However, it does not do to simply buy into McCarthyite charges and hysteria and incorporate them into a wiki article.
Information on this topic requires genuine expertise or using information from reliable sources. And there are many. Many people became disillusioned with the Communist party and many of them wrote memoirs and there is now information from the archives of the KGB available. You are going to have to get a whole lot better at using this information before you are going to be able to work in this area here without causing more heat than light.
What I saw of your work was not well done, (something about communists infiltrating the Truman administration). My thought at the time is that you know very little about America and are very poorly qualified to try to deal with a subtle and difficult area of American history such as this.
Just your phrasing of the topic, "Communists infiltrating America", betrays that. American Communism is pretty much a home grown product.
Fred Bauder
Fred Bauder wrote:
A little different dynamic operating here though. The source you mention comes from the McCarthy era and seemingly, so does your level of understanding. The communist movement did infiltrate labor unions, churches, the boy scouts, and probably foundations, and created front organizations. However, it does not do to simply buy into McCarthyite charges and hysteria and incorporate them into a wiki article.
Information on this topic requires genuine expertise or using information from reliable sources. And there are many. Many people became disillusioned with the Communist party and many of them wrote memoirs and there is now information from the archives of the KGB available. You are going to have to get a whole lot better at using this information before you are going to be able to work in this area here without causing more heat than light.
What I saw of your work was not well done, (something about communists infiltrating the Truman administration). My thought at the time is that you know very little about America and are very poorly qualified to try to deal with a subtle and difficult area of American history such as this.
Just your phrasing of the topic, "Communists infiltrating America", betrays that. American Communism is pretty much a home grown product.
Fred Bauder
Some of your comments to Helga may be a little over the top, even if they all turn out to be true. In the last couple days I have seen her come on these pages and make an effort to communicate. That's certainly progress from where we were on this two weeks ago, and that merits praise.
I agree that the story of American anti-communism is a complex one that wont depend on kooky stories about infiltrating boy scouts, or in KGB files. The story of communism in America goes back at least to the post civil war reconstruction era.
Ec
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