On 03/12/05, Field Nothing <fieldtheory2(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
To Mark Williamson aka Node_ue,
>Wikipedia is not about what is official and
what is not. It's about
>what is really happening.
I'm sorry but what IS happening in Moldova? I've moved to Moldova in 1991
and I have NEVER seen romanian/moldovan written in cyrillic. And this is not
Where in Moldova? Chisinau? Did you visit, say, Bender/Tighina, or rural areas?
the same as the usual "don't like it,
don't watch it" TV kind of thing. MO
is the ISO code for the official language in Moldova which is written using
latin alphabet, therefore
mo.wikipedia.org officially represents Moldova on
wikipedia. Imagine someone visits mo.wiki, what does he see - the HORROR! a
Go to the Moldovan WP mainpage. It's a biscriptal portal.
http://mo.wikipedia.org/ Latin is placed first because it's official
huge pile of mistakes (both in syntax and grammar),
cyrillic alphabet, ugly
Despite the fact that (almost) everything there is copied from the
Romanian Wikipedia? Not our fault. I've fixed some spelling errors
from ro.wiki, but I'm not a grammar wizard by far.
unfinished interface again in cyrillic, so what
impression does one make of
Moldova ?
It's not the "Moldova Wikipedia". Wikipedias are for LANGUAGES, not
countries.
Basically I see this as one man (yes, Node_ue - you
are the only admin)
running the show and not allowing anyone to edit (the main page is blocked,
also no way to edit the interface). If you want to do it properly remove the
Go to _any_ WP, and you won't be able to edit the interface. That
privelage is restricted to admins. However, anybody is welcome to
comment on it, or suggest new translations or corrections to existing
ones.
The Main Page is locked because of vandalism, assuming you mean the
front main page (the biscriptal one), it's been locked for a while. If
you mean the Cyrillic mainpage (which is a link deeper), I just locked
it yesterday because over the past two weeks there was a sudden surge
in vandalism. I'd actually just unlocked it a few months prior because
I thought things had cooled down, and I was right. No vandalism until
just a couple of weeks ago, and even then it was sporadic, until the
last few days when it was really often.
cyrillic pages, write everything in latin. Why
don't you understand that you
do is offending us. You don't know the language, you've never been to
Ahh, now I see what's going on here. You're a Romanian, presuming to
speak for Moldovans. Romanian / Moldovan is my mother tongue, I've
expanded on that at Talk:Main Page on mo.wiki a little, and on
Utilizator:Node ue at ro.wiki. I suggest you read both, or just the
first one, because otherwise you may come out with a wrong impression.
(I'm a guy, I didn't give birth to anybody, anywhere...)
Moldova, you don't know the situation here, why
are you running mo.wiki
Here? Now I'm more confused. Are you Moldovan? You said you went to
Moldova in 1991. Then later you said "offending us", so I assumed you
were Romanian (nobody from any other country would say "us" in that
situation). But now you say "here". So you _are_ in Moldova? Or what?
Please clarify.
then, just to offend us ? At this point I see the site
as making fun of
Again I see "us". The Kurdish Wikipedia has offended many Turks, as
evidenced by vandalism to it. But Kurdish is a real language used by
real people, so that Wikipedia stays. Likewise, SOME people, even
though they're not the majority, use Cyrillic for Moldovan. So that WP
stays.
Moldova and the people of Moldova, creating the false
impression that people
use cyrillic and are generally illiterate.
It's not a false impression. In Transnistria/"Stînga Nistrului", the
official script for the language, as prescribed by the seperatist
gov't. Now of course you will object that I'm even worse now, because
I support human rights violations by the Transnistrian gov't, I must
be a Smirnovist ex-KGB agent, etc., etc., I've heard it before. Well
I recognise that many would like to write in Latin. But the fact
remains that the majority of children going to mother tongue schools
in Transnistria, are learning in Cyrillic from bad textbooks. The hope
of mo.wiki is that these children can somehow access neutral and
accurate information in Cyrillic, as opposed to Soviet-style
propaganda. Obviously internet access is low (but not entirely
nonexistant) in Transnistria. But there is certainly the possibility
that a print version of WP could be smuggled in, or that it may even
be allowed by the Smirnov regime.
Beyond Transnistria, anybody who has spent some time in the Moldovan
countryside should know that many peasants know only Cyrillic, and
that some people (especially over 30) are more comfortable with
Cyrillic even if they can read Latin too. If you're a real Moldovan,
you should know that.
Give us the control of mo.wikipage and please stop
vandalizing our language!
I'm vandalising your language? How about, you're vandalising my
language? In the last few days, 3 people have attacked mo.wiki with
vandalism.
I see romanian is not the only language you are having
problems with, it's
"undeniable" last time I checked my dictionary. That aside, what do you have
Go ahead and nitpick. Everybody makes spelling errors.
to back up your affirmation, I live here, I see the
situation, I haven't
seen anyone writing anything in cyrillic romanian/moldovan. And an important
You live there? I thought you just visited in 1991? I'm beginning to
doubt the veracity of your story due to contradictory statements.
note is that we don't have something like
"Moldovan language" in schools,
the course is called "Romanian language/Limba Romana", we don't even have
a
"History of Moldova" it's "History of Romania".
So now you live in Moldova? I thought you said you visited in 1991?
Again, please clarify.
Mark
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"Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin