Maybe it's OT for this list (if it is, then I forget which list is appropriate), but I thought of a new Wiki proposal people might like and could be implemented if people were up to it:
Seeing that there seems to be articles on individual episodes of certain TV shows in Wikipedia that some might argue is unencyclopedic (due to the fact that they contribute little other than an episode summary), how about a television episode guide based on the Wiki philosophy (a "Wikivision" perhaps)?
The idea was inspired largely by Wikibooks and their management of individual "books", followed by individual articles within each "book". Likewise, this Wiki-based TV Guide would have major sections for an individual TV series, and each article would represent one show in one particular series. The goal of such a Wiki would be to essentially provide summaries to as many episodes for as many TV series as possible, in as many different languages as we can.
A potential obstacle to this idea (not a technical obstacle, but rather a policy obstacle) would be the regional differences that may exist within the same show. For example, edit wars may occur over whether to use the titles and names that are used for the English or French, German, Japanese, or other regional version, and whether or not to include episodes that aired in one region but not another (and if so, which title is the article with the content and which ones are redirects to that article).
What do you all think of the idea?
Sounds cool to me. I don't know how it would work within the Wikipedia, but I know of at least one person who will rail you for proposing 'forks' because 'forks' are bad. But I think it would be a great way to increase the range of knowledge of the Wikipedia, by having the TV Show guides, then links to the wikipedia from within that guide to the stars, the show's encyclopedic entries, directors, producers, guest stars, etc. As for regional differences, I'd say to keep it in the original language's name, but translate it across wikis. So that Star Trek, an originally English show, has "Star Trek" as its English title, "Star Trek" for German, and so on, but with a line saying "Original Title: Star Trek," or "Premiere Title: Star Trek" or "Erste Titel: Star Trek." And as for portions of the show in regions, simply say in the French, German, Japanese, or whatever that "This show did not air on Japanese television due to excessive violence." or something like that, but continue to have the regional versions.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of kelvSYC Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 12:49 AM To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] A new idea: a Wiki-based TV episode guide
Maybe it's OT for this list (if it is, then I forget which list is appropriate), but I thought of a new Wiki proposal people might like and could be implemented if people were up to it:
Seeing that there seems to be articles on individual episodes of certain TV shows in Wikipedia that some might argue is unencyclopedic (due to the fact that they contribute little other than an episode summary), how about a television episode guide based on the Wiki philosophy (a "Wikivision" perhaps)?
The idea was inspired largely by Wikibooks and their management of individual "books", followed by individual articles within each "book". Likewise, this Wiki-based TV Guide would have major sections for an individual TV series, and each article would represent one show in one particular series. The goal of such a Wiki would be to essentially provide summaries to as many episodes for as many TV series as possible, in as many different languages as we can.
A potential obstacle to this idea (not a technical obstacle, but rather a policy obstacle) would be the regional differences that may exist within the same show. For example, edit wars may occur over whether to use the titles and names that are used for the English or French, German, Japanese, or other regional version, and whether or not to include episodes that aired in one region but not another (and if so, which title is the article with the content and which ones are redirects to that article).
What do you all think of the idea?
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--- kelvSYC kelvsyc@shaw.ca wrote:
Seeing that there seems to be articles on individual episodes of certain TV shows in Wikipedia that some might argue is unencyclopedic (due to the fact that they contribute little other than an episode summary), how about a television episode guide based on the Wiki philosophy (a "Wikivision" perhaps)?
Just lump small summaries together into larger, list-like articles for the relevant seasons. This is already done for minor fictional characters. No need for a separate project.
-- mav
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An episode guide within that TV Show's wiki article? Sounds good to me.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Mayer Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:58 PM To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] A new idea: a Wiki-based TV episode guide
--- kelvSYC kelvsyc@shaw.ca wrote:
Seeing that there seems to be articles on individual episodes of certain TV shows in Wikipedia that some might argue is unencyclopedic (due to the fact that they contribute little other than an episode summary), how about a television episode guide based on the Wiki philosophy (a "Wikivision" perhaps)?
Just lump small summaries together into larger, list-like articles for the relevant seasons. This is already done for minor fictional characters. No need for a separate project.
-- mav
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--- "James R. Johnson" modean52@comcast.net wrote:
An episode guide within that TV Show's wiki article? Sounds good to me.
Separate articles for each season would be better (with a summary and maybe a table for the main TV show's article). Organizing layout and such would be done through WikiProject Television on the various wp language versions.
-- mav
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
--- kelvSYC kelvsyc@shaw.ca wrote:
Seeing that there seems to be articles on individual episodes of certain TV shows in Wikipedia that some might argue is unencyclopedic (due to the fact that they contribute little other than an episode summary), how about a television episode guide based on the Wiki philosophy (a "Wikivision" perhaps)?
Just lump small summaries together into larger, list-like articles for the relevant seasons. This is already done for minor fictional characters. No need for a separate project.
I disagree here. It's a matter of level. If we are talking about title plus a one-line description of the various episodes, then I agree with you that this is the way to go. But if we're talking about a 2 or 3 paragraph overview for each episode, I would not want to have it in Wikipedia.
Likewise those minor characters - An overview of the various minor characters in a book or a series is something I think would be good for Wikipedia to have. But if someone goes and writes a whole article about one minor character from a book (or even a major character from a minor book), it's not what I want to see in Wikipedia.
Andre Engels
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