Am Freitag, 29. August 2003 01:08 schrieb Joachim Kerschbaumer: Two issues to state here: 1) they quote more or less completely some Wikipedia articles on their gallery screenshots (http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/gallery.htm). They don't link back to Wikipedia or mention the content to be under GNU FDL. Instead, they put a (c) 2003 by IBM below their pictures. 2) Perhaps we should inform them about that issue and suggest at this point, that we, of course, would be keen to pilot their new product - if we get the software for free and if they sponsor a server to run it on... Uli

Ulrich Fuchs wrote: Oh good! Then if we want to adapt their pictures into a logo, as I humorously suggested in my previous post, then they already must be released under the GNU FDL. ^_^ -- Toby

Am Freitag, 29. August 2003 18:01 schrieb Jimmy Wales: I think, I have to start using smilies again, otherwise no one is realizing me talking ironically. ;-)) There is no need to discuss the fair use issue, I have no problems with IBM using Wikipedia that way, in fact, being reproduced is what we want to; (however I doubt if that would really be "fair use" - keep in mind that IBM even copyrights their screenshots, and think about the curious ways to distribute the DeCSS algorithm) - But as I said, please forget about that issue: The use by IBM is certainly nothing worth arguing with them. They link to Wikipedia, that's giving publicity, and that's fine. Second point - I am very interested in that paper and the editing patterns; I believe the analysis will be based on the english Wikipedia, I'd like to see if I recognize these patterns on the german Wikipedia, too! Uli

Christopher Mahan wrote: No, but for those of long-range vision, what we are doing is very important for the improvement of the condition of people all over the world. I was actually just joking when I said that, but since you asked, my curiosity was piqued as to what kinds of projects they actually support. According to their website, "The foundation favors preventive approaches and collaborative endeavors with government, philanthropic and not-for-profit partners. Priority is given to grants that leverage additional support and serve as a catalyst for long-term, systemic change." I'd say we qualify pretty well within those objectives. However, further down the page, when they detail which of their programs accept or don't accept letters of inquiry, it's hard to see how we would fit. Possibly if someone were to take articles on health and construct a free textbook suitable for use in developing nations, they might be interested in funding widespread distribution there. But really, I can't even begin to imagine the controversy that would be caused around here if we took money from Gates, so it's probably best to leave it just as an ironic joke. --Jimbo

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . till we *) . . . Huh, has anyone mirrored this? At the moment, the IBMs researchweb won't allow connections, but the visualization sounds really interesting. Any chance to have a glance at this, and if yes, where? __ . / / / / ... Till Westermayer - till we *) . . . mailto:till@tillwe.de . www.westermayer.de/till/ . icq 320393072 . Habsburgerstr. 82 . 79104 Freiburg . 0761 55697152 . 0160 96619179 . . . . .