It seems that researchers are starting to take note of Wikipedia:
http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/index.htm
Interesting stuff.
--mav
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Daniel Mayer wrote:
It seems that researchers are starting to take note of Wikipedia:
http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/index.htm
Interesting stuff.
Now if only they can apply this to the Linux kernel and SCO's unix codebase... ;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Wow, Brion, could you implement this function in Wikipedia by next week?... ;-)
Joke apart, I think, this tool is possible to be used for Wikipedia sooner or later, and probably also very helpful for some aspects.
I like one line specially:
"This site is a preliminary report on a simple visual technique, history flow, that provides a clear view of complex records of contributions and collaboration. "
Is this "simple visual technique" relating to "simple technique" or "simple visualisation"?
Joachim :-)
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Mayer Sent: Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 23:50 To: wikipedia-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] IBM analyzing Wikipedia page histories
It seems that researchers are starting to take note of Wikipedia:
http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/index.htm
Interesting stuff.
--mav
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Am Freitag, 29. August 2003 01:08 schrieb Joachim Kerschbaumer:
Wow, Brion, could you implement this function in Wikipedia by next week?... ;-)
Two issues to state here: 1) they quote more or less completely some Wikipedia articles on their gallery screenshots (http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/gallery.htm). They don't link back to Wikipedia or mention the content to be under GNU FDL. Instead, they put a (c) 2003 by IBM below their pictures.
2) Perhaps we should inform them about that issue and suggest at this point, that we, of course, would be keen to pilot their new product - if we get the software for free and if they sponsor a server to run it on...
Uli
Ulrich Fuchs wrote:
- they quote more or less completely some Wikipedia articles on their gallery
screenshots (http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/gallery.htm). They don't link back to Wikipedia or mention the content to be under GNU FDL. Instead, they put a (c) 2003 by IBM below their pictures.
They do link to Wikipedia, and this use of extracts & screenshots to demonstrate a research project seems clearly within fair use bounds. (IANAL)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Ulrich Fuchs wrote:
- they quote more or less completely some Wikipedia articles on their gallery
screenshots (http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/gallery.htm). They don't link back to Wikipedia or mention the content to be under GNU FDL. Instead, they put a (c) 2003 by IBM below their pictures.
Oh good!
Then if we want to adapt their pictures into a logo, as I humorously suggested in my previous post, then they already must be released under the GNU FDL. ^_^
-- Toby
Ulrich Fuchs wrote:
- they quote more or less completely some Wikipedia articles on their gallery
screenshots (http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/gallery.htm). They don't link back to Wikipedia or mention the content to be under GNU FDL. Instead, they put a (c) 2003 by IBM below their pictures.
These are good people, Fernanda Viegas in particular has written to me and to the mailing list a few times. They don't mean any harm, as far as that goes.
But ANYWAY, that particular type of use of our data qualifies VERY WELL as 'fair use', which means that they can use it whether we like it or not, license or no license.
I think it's not good if in our concern that our license be respected, we erode public confidence in one of the best features of copyright law, i.e. fair use.
that we, of course, would be keen to pilot their new product - if we get the software for free and if they sponsor a server to run it on...
I'd love to see IBM donate some money to us. I'd love to see Bill Gates donate some money to us, too, but I can imagine the howls if I applied to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for support. :-)
--Jimbo
Am Freitag, 29. August 2003 18:01 schrieb Jimmy Wales:
Ulrich Fuchs wrote:
- they quote more or less completely some Wikipedia articles on their
gallery screenshots (http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/gallery.htm). They don't link back to Wikipedia or mention the content to be under GNU FDL. Instead, they put a (c) 2003 by IBM below their pictures.
These are good people, Fernanda Viegas in particular has written to me and to the mailing list a few times. They don't mean any harm, as far as that goes.
But ANYWAY, that particular type of use of our data qualifies VERY WELL as 'fair use', which means that they can use it whether we like it or not, license or no license.
I think, I have to start using smilies again, otherwise no one is realizing me talking ironically. ;-)) There is no need to discuss the fair use issue, I have no problems with IBM using Wikipedia that way, in fact, being reproduced is what we want to; (however I doubt if that would really be "fair use" - keep in mind that IBM even copyrights their screenshots, and think about the curious ways to distribute the DeCSS algorithm) - But as I said, please forget about that issue: The use by IBM is certainly nothing worth arguing with them. They link to Wikipedia, that's giving publicity, and that's fine.
Second point - I am very interested in that paper and the editing patterns; I believe the analysis will be based on the english Wikipedia, I'd like to see if I recognize these patterns on the german Wikipedia, too!
Uli
Jimbo spoke:
... but I can imagine the howls if I applied to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for support.
:-)
Are you HIV positive? Do you live in a sub-saharan nation?
Oh, nevermind...
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Christopher Mahan wrote:
Jimbo spoke:
... but I can imagine the howls if I applied to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation for support.
:-)
Are you HIV positive? Do you live in a sub-saharan nation?
No, but for those of long-range vision, what we are doing is very important for the improvement of the condition of people all over the world. I was actually just joking when I said that, but since you asked, my curiosity was piqued as to what kinds of projects they actually support.
According to their website, "The foundation favors preventive approaches and collaborative endeavors with government, philanthropic and not-for-profit partners. Priority is given to grants that leverage additional support and serve as a catalyst for long-term, systemic change."
I'd say we qualify pretty well within those objectives.
However, further down the page, when they detail which of their programs accept or don't accept letters of inquiry, it's hard to see how we would fit. Possibly if someone were to take articles on health and construct a free textbook suitable for use in developing nations, they might be interested in funding widespread distribution there.
But really, I can't even begin to imagine the controversy that would be caused around here if we took money from Gates, so it's probably best to leave it just as an ironic joke.
--Jimbo
There was talk about comparison to other 'pedias, so you might be interested in my initial breakdown of Encarta Plus, just to show the categories and article counts in Microsoft's product.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fuzheado/Research
The "educated guesses" posed by folks here tend to be correct. Some other insights:
- Encarta has a numerical strength (in number of articles) in Artists, Writers/Poets, Plants, Economics/Business, Medicine. - Wikipedia probably holds its own in the US towns and cities section, thanks to the automated bot articles. - Wikipedia has a much better "Military" section as Encarta, inexplicably, only has *two* official entries. - Wikipedia has strengths in the areas of pop culture, current events, technology, and non-Western culture.
-Andrew
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Huh,
- they quote more or less completely some Wikipedia articles on
their gallery screenshots (http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/his tory/gallery.htm). They don't link back to Wikipedia or mention the content to be under GNU FDL. Instead, they put a (c) 2003 by
has anyone mirrored this? At the moment, the IBMs researchweb won't allow connections, but the visualization sounds really interesting. Any chance to have a glance at this, and if yes, where? __ . / / / / ... Till Westermayer - till we *) . . . mailto:till@tillwe.de . www.westermayer.de/till/ . icq 320393072 . Habsburgerstr. 82 . 79104 Freiburg . 0761 55697152 . 0160 96619179 . . . . .
Daniel Mayer wrote:
It seems that researchers are starting to take note of Wikipedia:
http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/index.htm
Interesting stuff.
Wow.
Is their diff function better then our's? Take a look at http://de.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Osmanisches_Reich&diff=263305... Aren't there more intelligent ones we could use?
(BTW, the line was inserted by Mozilla, seems to be a bug)
Kurt
Daniel Mayer wrote:
I just had a creative insight -- We should adapt one of these for our logo! ^_^
-- Toby
Maybe this could be used to help downstream licensees comply with the "at least five major authors" rule in the GDFL as the screen shots appear to list contributors by amount of text they have contributed and it lists all the contributors in a convenient list. Alex756 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Mayer" maveric149@yahoo.com To: wikipedia-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: [Wikipedia-l] IBM analyzing Wikipedia page histories
It seems that researchers are starting to take note of Wikipedia:
http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/history/index.htm
Interesting stuff.
--mav
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