I noticed on the fr: Bistro (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%E9dia:Le_Bistro) that a university lecturer is planning on getting students to write articles as part of their course. Some of you may remember this happened with the en: wikipedia a few months ago.
I suggest that we create a page on Meta of guidelines for this sort of thing, since I imagine we'll be seeing more of it.
something like: * we welcome it! :) * make sure your students understand NPOV * and so on
something like:
- we welcome it! :)
- make sure your students understand NPOV
- and so on
(en:) I have one main concern about that, even if the idea is great :) Since grades will be given partly for the language, the contents & such, what happens if someone outside the students fixes typos, links, adds things? This, arguably, is the teacher's trouble to sort out. But what if the teacher asks 'ok, could non-students please do not change this page during the ''examen'' ?' ? What should we reply? It obviously is against Wikipedia's very nature to 'lock' (morally, at least :)) a page.
(fr:) J'ai une seule crainte, à ce propos, même si l'idée est super :) Les notes étant attribuées (sans doute) en fonction du langage, du contenu, etc, que se passera-t-il si quelqu'un qui n'est pas un de ces étudiants change la page, en corrigeant des fautes, des liens, etc ? C'est évidemment le problème du professeur. Mais que répondre s'il nous demande 'bon, que les non-étudiants ne touchent pas à ces pages le temps de l'examen' ? C'est totalement contre la nature de Wikipédia de 'bloquer' une page (même moralement :))
Nicolas 'Ryo'
From: Nicolas Weeger weeger@noos.fr Reply-To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:11:47 +0100 To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Students!
something like:
- we welcome it! :)
- make sure your students understand NPOV
- and so on
(en:) I have one main concern about that, even if the idea is great :) Since grades will be given partly for the language, the contents & such, what happens if someone outside the students fixes typos, links, adds things? This, arguably, is the teacher's trouble to sort out. But what if the teacher asks 'ok, could non-students please do not change this page during the ''examen'' ?' ? What should we reply? It obviously is against Wikipedia's very nature to 'lock' (morally, at least :)) a page.
User contributions combined with page history for each student will return the work they did. No need for anyone else to change what they ordinarily do.
Fred
(fr:) J'ai une seule crainte, à ce propos, même si l'idée est super :) Les notes étant attribuées (sans doute) en fonction du langage, du contenu, etc, que se passera-t-il si quelqu'un qui n'est pas un de ces étudiants change la page, en corrigeant des fautes, des liens, etc ? C'est évidemment le problème du professeur. Mais que répondre s'il nous demande 'bon, que les non-étudiants ne touchent pas à ces pages le temps de l'examen' ? C'est totalement contre la nature de Wikipédia de 'bloquer' une page (même moralement :))
Nicolas 'Ryo'
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Actually, there is a page for students/university projects:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects
As for grading, I've promised to put up what I've done for students and hope to get to it soon. The quick summary (for my journalism students) -- edits from the Wikipedia community are welcome, encouraged and part of the experience. Experiencing 'participatory journalism' is part of the reason for doing things on Wikipedia.
As for grading, the entire article is graded, and all folks assigned that aritcle are given the same grade. They sink or swim together. Severe slackers will get individual deductions, but otherwise, its in each student's interests to keep working at the article and help each other. Doing individual grades would indeed change the Wiki dynamic.
-Fuzheado
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Fred Bauder Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:16 AM To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Students!
From: Nicolas Weeger weeger@noos.fr Reply-To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:11:47 +0100 To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Students!
something like:
- we welcome it! :)
- make sure your students understand NPOV
- and so on
(en:) I have one main concern about that, even if the idea is
great :) Since
grades will be given partly for the language, the contents & such, what happens if someone outside the students fixes typos,
links, adds
things? This, arguably, is the teacher's trouble to sort
out. But what
if the teacher asks 'ok, could non-students please do not
change this
page during the ''examen'' ?' ? What should we reply? It
obviously is
against Wikipedia's very nature to 'lock' (morally, at least :)) a page.
User contributions combined with page history for each student will return the work they did. No need for anyone else to change what they ordinarily do.
Fred
(fr:) J'ai une seule crainte, à ce propos, même si l'idée est
super :) Les
notes étant attribuées (sans doute) en fonction du langage, du contenu, etc, que se passera-t-il si quelqu'un qui n'est
pas un de ces
étudiants change la page, en corrigeant des fautes, des
liens, etc ?
C'est évidemment le problème du professeur. Mais que répondre s'il nous demande 'bon, que les non-étudiants ne touchent pas à
ces pages
le temps de l'examen' ? C'est totalement contre la nature
de Wikipédia
de 'bloquer' une page (même moralement :))
Nicolas 'Ryo'
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