Daniel said

So, has Perl knowingly abused any sysop user rights

on the Maori Wikipedia,

Wikibooks, or Meta? Granted he failed to follow the

largely unwritten admin

rules for Meta, but an apparent honest mistake is

hardly grounds for

de-adminship (unless he does it again after being

informed of those rules).

His actions on Meta seemed to be acts in good faith

as far as I could see.

I am sure Perl acted in good faith. But the rule he infringed is about the **only** rule written on meta :-)

What worries me a bit is that even after Perl was pointed out to that **only** written rule, he goes on claiming that he respected it.

It goes without saying Mav, that you were totally correct in making him sysop on meta, since that was the rule. (and still is for a few days...hurry people !)

I agree. Meta is a bit of a craphole and Alexander

did >what he could to

clean it up. I see no evidence that there was any attempt to resolve this matter in personal discussion - there is certainly no message on his talk page.

This was resolved **amply** in personal discussion on IRC (and a tiny little bit on meta itself) with him directly. There were numerous witnesses to the discussion. I explained to Alex the importance of reading the only ridiculously small and unique rule governing sysops on meta, and tried to explain him the unspoken rules as well. I recognise it might have not been easy for him, since he never really had to follow any sysop rules, and we know he has it hard to manage human relationships unfortunately.

However, Alex is now aware of these rules, and I have been trying to clarify them further. I hope (no, I am sure) that Alex is now more careful.

Why does this need to be discussed on a public

mailing >list?

This is discussed on this mailing list, because **following** these events, mainly due to broken meta policy, I proposed an update for deletion policy and a new adminship access policy on meta, and very few people are giving it any feedback. Actually feedback is total support. However, I prefer to have it known here, so to avoid latter hearing I made rules all alone.

The policy issues on Meta should be separated in the discussion from any personal issues. As he notes on his user page, Alex

is >a kid with

Asperger's syndrome. Don't give him too much of a

hard >time, please. If he

does something really stupid there are more than enough ways to undo it.

Well, it is not because Alex unfortunately has personal problems, that we should let him do how he feels like, from using deception to get sysop, to going against rules. Now, if he is being careful on meta from now on, it is fine with me that he is sysop. I already know that sysop does not mean trusted anyway.

Furthermore, Meta issues belong on foundation-l, not on wikipedia-l, as Meta is not just about Wikipedia.

I disagree unfortunately. On the principle I agree, but practically, who is registered to foundation-l for now ?

Regards,

Erik

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