It is a policy issue when I try to do something, I explain *why* I do it on Brion page, and in the comment box,
Why am I supposed to be reading Brion's talk page to figure out what you were doing on a completely different page? That is silly.
..... What I did (but left unfinished for it took me quite some time just to do that, and even adding something on the talk page would have taken about 10 mn to avoid getting things messed) was utterly discarded and labelled destruction by you, and is now unrecoverable.
? I did a backwards merge - it took me 7 minutes. However, when I first saw your changes along with destruction your browser caused, I didn't have 5 minutes or the urge to fix the mess your browser caused AND recreate your edits. Why should I be responsible for that anyway?
I consider having many different propositions done on the same page is useless, they could be on separate pages. That whole page is a total mess, and it is very hard to see the different arguments. All the arguments are not even there. Nobody is doing the job. I tried to start it. And it was dismissed as inopportune. Without consideration.
When edits are reverted without consideration, that's a policy issue.
I considered your changes - and I disagreed with them. Especially the part where your browser /destroyed/ the page. Hence this is a technical issue.
--mav
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On dim, 2003-01-19 at 05:32, Daniel Mayer wrote:
It is a policy issue when I try to do something, I explain *why* I do it on Brion page, and in the comment box,
Why am I supposed to be reading Brion's talk page to figure out what you were doing on a completely different page? That is silly.
When making reversions, the smart militiaman/volunteer fireman checks user contribs for other pages that might need to be fixed. This would have quickly turned up Ant's note on my talk page.
Yes, perhaps the page's talk page would have been a better place, but had you, mav, been playing your part you would have seen it anyway.
When edits are reverted without consideration, that's a policy issue.
I considered your changes - and I disagreed with them. Especially the part where your browser /destroyed/ the page. Hence this is a technical issue.
I like how you explain your disagreement with her changes: "REVERT page from utter destruction". Clear as mud...
Now, mav, I suggest you apologize to Anthere.
Anthere, I suggest you accept the apology.
And I will try to find a technical fix for the linebreak insertion.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
I like how you explain your disagreement with her changes: "REVERT page from utter destruction". Clear as mud...
Now, mav, I suggest you apologize to Anthere.
Anthere, I suggest you accept the apology.
And I will try to find a technical fix for the linebreak insertion.
Thanks Brion
I am sure Mav will apologize, and I accept the apology in advance; and I apologize myself for having been so aggressive.
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On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:05:25 -0800 (PST), Anthere anthere5=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
I like how you explain your disagreement with her changes: "REVERT page from utter destruction". Clear as mud...
Now, mav, I suggest you apologize to Anthere.
Anthere, I suggest you accept the apology.
And I will try to find a technical fix for the linebreak insertion.
Thanks Brion
I am sure Mav will apologize, and I accept the apology in advance; and I apologize myself for having been so aggressive.
In the meantime, have you sent a bug report to Opera, or posted about it on opera.mac?
|In the meantime, have you sent a bug report to Opera, or posted about |it on opera.mac?
Opera will make you a beta tester, and send you individualized updates attempting to deal with any problem you present. My brother was having trouble and did this. (Wimp that I am, Ijust quit using Opera for editing.)
You might also add notes on your problems to [[Wikipedia:Browser Notes]].
Tom P.
--- Tom Parmenter tompar@world.std.com wrote:
|In the meantime, have you sent a bug report to Opera, or posted about |it on opera.mac?
euh, no...I would not really know what to say "when I edit my favorite wiki, it adds weird lines, and crashes..."
Opera will make you a beta tester, and send you individualized updates attempting to deal with any problem you present.
But I like this option *very much*...
My brother was
having trouble and did this. (Wimp that I am, Ijust quit using Opera for editing.)
You might also add notes on your problems to [[Wikipedia:Browser Notes]].
I will. I think I already put the mac bugs on Opera 5 Netscape 4.x IE 4.5 IE 5.5 ...
:-)))
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On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:26:28 -0800 (PST), Anthere anthere5=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
--- Tom Parmenter tompar=Jk6FQSss4Zz2eFz/2MeuCQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
|In the meantime, have you sent a bug report to Opera, or posted about |it on opera.mac?
euh, no...I would not really know what to say "when I edit my favorite wiki, it adds weird lines, and crashes..."
I would offer to formulate a test case, but somehow I don't think that my Mac (a venerable 75MHz PowerPC) has the horsepower to run the version of MacOS necessary for Opera6 to run. (Even O5 is an adventure in waiting, although it's still faster than NS4 and IE5).
Note that it's only the MacOpera team who do such individualized bugfixing :-).
--- Richard Grevers dramatic@xtra.co.nz wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:26:28 -0800 (PST), Anthere anthere5=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
--- Tom Parmenter
tompar=Jk6FQSss4Zz2eFz/2MeuCQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
|In the meantime, have you sent a bug report to Opera, or posted about |it on opera.mac?
euh, no...I would not really know what to say "when I edit my favorite wiki, it adds weird
lines,
and crashes..."
I would offer to formulate a test case, but somehow I don't think that my Mac (a venerable 75MHz PowerPC) has the horsepower to run the version of MacOS necessary for Opera6 to run. (Even O5 is an adventure in waiting, although it's still faster than NS4 and IE5).
Note that it's only the MacOpera team who do such individualized bugfixing :-). -- Richard Grevers
The test pages I did for Brion didnot lead to any crashes. Maybe the computer just needed to be restarted to feel better. Dunno. If Brion finds a idea for these blank lines, I could drop Mac Opera a word. I couldnot figure why they sometimes appeared and sometimes not...
Meanwhile, Opera 5 is still the best in speed ! (and Opera 6 is a chore in slowlyness). But, tell me, how do YOU make it to edit the UTF 8 coded pages with your very old Mac ?!?
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On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:11:11 -0800 (PST), Anthere anthere5=/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
The test pages I did for Brion didnot lead to any crashes. Maybe the computer just needed to be restarted to feel better. Dunno. If Brion finds a idea for these blank lines, I could drop Mac Opera a word. I couldnot figure why they sometimes appeared and sometimes not...
Meanwhile, Opera 5 is still the best in speed ! (and Opera 6 is a chore in slowlyness). But, tell me, how do YOU make it to edit the UTF 8 coded pages with your very old Mac ?!?
By using my very new PC instead :-) The Mac mainly serves as a monitor stand, and is occasionally used for processing prepress work for printers who are unable to accept copy in a PC format (a dwindling number).
Anthere anthere5@yahoo.com writes:
The test pages I did for Brion didnot lead to any crashes. Maybe the computer just needed to be restarted to feel better. Dunno. If Brion finds a idea for these blank lines, I could drop Mac Opera a word. I couldnot figure why they sometimes appeared and sometimes not...
To comfort you - I had the same problem with some browsers on MacOS X. Sometimes there were white lines and I had to cancel the article, sometimes not. I suspect (really wild suspicion on no reasonable grounds) that somehow it depends on what was in the article source before: could it be that CR + LF get interpreted as two LF's while normal Unix LF's are counted only one time?
Meanwhile, Opera 5 is still the best in speed ! (and Opera 6 is a chore in slowlyness). But, tell me, how do YOU make it to edit the UTF 8 coded pages with your very old Mac ?!?
sorry, no idea. Even on MacOS 10.1.5 it was desperating to experience all sorts of browser bugs (IE, Opera, ICab, Chimera...), I ended up with Mozilla - at least it doesn't cut articles of more than 32k.
heretic thought: does lynx for MacOS has UTF-8 support?
greetings, elian
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